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Old 2nd of May 2012 (Wed)   #46
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Canon will have to go full-frame to match Nikon for noise and IQ and they will fail no doubt.
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Old 3rd of May 2012 (Thu)   #47
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Well, I'm not going to hold off on my purchase of an Olympus E-M5 for this. Even if Canon releases something, it'll probaby only have 3-4 lenses at launch along w/ an EF adaptor.

Given the fact that I just sold all my Canon gear and lenses to jump into the m43 market, unless Canon comes out with something really spetacular, I'm not jumping back to Canon. Sorry Canon....too little too late, especially w/ everyone having a huge headstart in the compact mirrorless market. You need to fire whomevever decided that these cameras wouldn't become so popular.
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July/August makes sense, get it into the supply chain in time for holiday spending. I believe these cameras are the future of photography, we're a few years away from where I'd replace my DSLR's with one, but I'm pretty sure it will happen.
It's what the Canon CEO is quoted as having said: Mirrorless is Canon's future.
But as to being "a few years away"....have you played with a Sony Alpha 77? It really is very good! It's just the continuous shooting mode that's lacking a bit, due to the EV "issue"......but time and again, people with the 5D2 mocked those with faster cameras with the old adage of correct use of a camera versus "spray 'n' pray". So, if that's really true, why would anyone spend $3200 on a 22.3MP 5D3, when the full-frame, 24MP Sony is only $1400?
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A mirror-free Canon compact with either a 1.3x of FF sensor would be interesting. Actually if it were FF I would stay with a 5Dx since the 5D body isn't that big anyway and I would still have the frame rate which a compact is unlikely to have. However we are talking about Canon so anything's possible IMHO. I'll sign up to the wait n see brigade
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[dpreview, about the Nikon V1]: Continous shooting: • Electronic (Hi): Approx. 10, 30, or 60 fps
Other modes: Up to 5 fps (single AF or manual focus, S Shutter-priority auto or M Manual exposure mode, shutter speed 1/250 s or faster, and other settings at default values)
Err....I think SLT cameras are going to jump all over dSLRs very soon.
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Canon will have to go full-frame to match Nikon for noise and IQ and they will fail no doubt.
We'll see...but I really hope they don't fudge this one up....
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...Given the fact that I just sold all my Canon gear and lenses to jump into the m43 market,...

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I just sold my 5D2 and kit lens (still have the 34 f/1.4) and will buy either the Fuji X-Pro1 or the Olympus E-M5. I, too, have waited for Canon to do something but they waited too long - they lost one customer, maybe for life.

Instead of waiting they should release something. It is better to lose a few DSLR sales to Canon mirrorless cameras than for the competition to make those sales. I still wonder how one makes up his mind when buying a compact camera. There must be room for some mirrorless cameras in the lineup.
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I just sold my 5D2 and kit lens (still have the 34 f/1.4) and will buy either the Fuji X-Pro1 or the Olympus E-M5. I, too, have waited for Canon to do something but they waited too long - they lost one customer, maybe for life.

Instead of waiting they should release something. It is better to lose a few DSLR sales to Canon mirrorless cameras than for the competition to make those sales. I still wonder how one makes up his mind when buying a compact camera. There must be room for some mirrorless cameras in the lineup.
The OMD-M5 is one seriously tempting camera. The size, IQ, lens selection, build, etc all look to be top drawer. For those of us that shoot mostly static subjects, this camera may be a real hit. I'd like to know more about wireless flash options (Oly has a new flash) and how the electronic viewfinder works in low light though.
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Old 3rd of May 2012 (Thu)   #52
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I'm gonna have to chime in with the others in saying that the only interesting mirrorless is a full frame mirrorless.

So come on now Canon (or Nikon). The first one to makes this camera will get my money.

I'd already own the Leica M9 if it wasn't so darned expensive.
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I wonder what "EF compatibility, but not EF mount." means?
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Additional adapter needed to use EF mount maybe.

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Canon should put this sensor instead...8 inch image sensor:

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From what I've heard, and from playing with a Nikon V1, I'm expecting a modest number of dedicated lenses, plus a cheap adapter-ring to allow EF-lenses to be used....

Can't wait!

as long as canon mirrorless will NOT be like V1, then i will be happy.

V1 is really crappy camera, one of the worst mirrorless cameras.

if canon could make a mirrorless camera with atleast 1.6 crop sensor, and then make adapter to be EF compatible, it will be a winner.
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as long as canon mirrorless will NOT be like V1, then i will be happy.

V1 is really crappy camera, one of the worst mirrorless cameras.

if canon could make a mirrorless camera with atleast 1.6 crop sensor, and then make adapter to be EF compatible, it will be a winner.
I'm expecting Canon to come into the fight because Nikon are selling plenty of V1s, and J1s - and they (to non-dSLR users) appear to be good cameras.
I even had a play with the various Olympus mirrorless cameras last week, and was again, impressed at how they're mimicking dSLRs, while sporting what must be among the most plasticky, hideous lenses ever made.

Come on Canon! Get a move on!!!
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Nikon are selling plenty of V1s, and J1s - and they (to non-dSLR users) appear to be a good cameras.
Foolish humans!! (I always like to say that )

Anyway, that is not a good thing. I hope Canon doesn't decide to walk the same path and make a "half assed product", just because Nikon's mirrorless "crap cams" has strong sales.
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a "half assed product", just because Nikon's mirrorless "crap cams" has strong sales.
Have you ever used a Nikon 1? They are the only mirrorless cameras that can match a DSLR for shutter lag and focus speed. The performance feels like a DSLR. You may not like the sensor size, but it is not a "crap cam". Nikon's pulled off a pretty cool tech surprise with the embedded phase-shift AF sensors.


I think making a FF mirrorless compact would be a poor decision. It's a very niche market and the price point would just get too close to Leica. Nobody is going to pick Canon over Leica. And Canon and Nikon already exclusively own the FF market. Who do they need to compete with?

The place where Canon is losing sales is m4/3 and NEX against their Rebels (and maybe 60D). The $400-$1000 market is where they need to launch a product. That's why they did the G1x. While there is a lot of competition in the APS-C mirrorless market, there are still no home-runs yet (maybe the E-M5). I think something with a good APS-C sensor and compact pancake primes and zoom would capture a lot of attention. People have only gravitated toward m4/3 because NEX can't release lenses that make sense and Samsung's bodies are not very compelling. Many would rather be using a larger than 2x crop sensor given a compelling option.
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