New FF DSLR from Canon with new sensor coming "soon"

[Ricku]

I know that many of you will probably roll your eyes at this, but listen.

CR just received 2 reports that Canon will announce another full frame DSLR beyond the “entry level” in 2012, with availability moving into 2013. They assume it would be a larger megapixel offering.

The most interesting part: CR have also heard as many as 5 different sensors are in the wild and being tested, and in various camera form factors.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/ind...5383#msg115383

Yes, this is just another rumor but at least a little bit better than all the the "my friend's brother's friend's sister's father has heard...-rumor".)

Bottom line: There might still be hope for the ones of us craving for improved low ISO DR, within a not so distant future.

[Stone 13]

I'm sure Canon has had a high MP sensor in development for quite some time now, don't be fooled into thinking they were caught off guard by the D800, I'm sure they knew what Nikon was going to release, but I DO think they were caught off guard by it's price point.

The million dollar question is if Canon has found a way to compete with the admittedly excellent low ISO DR of the exmor sensors. I don't subscribe to the D800 hype as I need a more well rounded camera, but once Canon releases their high MP body, landscape photogs WILL want the ability to push shadows like the Nikon competition. Sony has set the standard for low ISO DR performance and Canon would be foolish to release a camera that's not competitive in that regard.

I believe development of this high MP camera is already well underway, and a 2012 announcement with an early 2013 ship date is very probable, but get ready for sticker shock. You just aren't going to get a uber MP body from Canon for $3K, I fully expect it to be in the $4.5 - $5.5K price range. For that price, I would reasonably expect the 5DIIIs 61pt af, dual CF slots and dual digic V. I would also expect although I won't get my hopes up for it to be able to shoot the same 6 fps as the 5DIII, if a single Digic V can push 22MP files at 6fps, there's no reason that dual digic Vs couldn't do the same with 40MP files, if Canon doesn't skimp on the buffer. They could throw in uncompressed HDMI & USB 3 just for giggles....

[Indecent Exposure]

I really dig your pics Ricku. Love the tonality.

[bomzai]

Originally Posted by Stone 13

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So basically you're saying they'll release 1Ds4 for $5.5K? I guess it may be possible if done in 5D-body type.

[Stone 13]

Originally Posted by bomzai

So basically you're saying they'll release 1Ds4 for $5.5K? I guess it may be possible if done in 5D-body type.

My comments were a best case scenario, but I guess that's exactly what it would be. As I said, I think Nikon threw a curve ball with the price of the D800, I'm sure Canon will charge more, I mean it IS Canon we're talking about here, but I don't think they can charge THAT much more. Not too many people are going to pay a 1Ds price when there's something already out there for $3K

[Jahled]

I am hoping Canon tear up their announcement the 1D lines have merged and release a 1Ds4. I far prefer the body construction and robustness of a 1D body over other DSLR's, and would simply love everything in the 5D3 housed in a a 1D body (though with two CF slots and the battery) sitting side by side a 1DX. We can but day-dream

THOUGH EVEN A LIMITED EDITION 5D3 HOUSED IN A 1D BODY WOULD BE MEGA COOL CANON

[rick_reno]

they'll rebadge the 5d2 as the 5dx, claim it's got a new 22mp sensor and be off to the races

[woos]

"I have heard as many as 5 different sensors are in the wild and being tested, and in various camera form factors."

That's certainly believable. I've heard rumors that there were higher MP test bodies floating around in the last few years. I'm convinced Canon can come fairly close to EXMOR-quality low ISO, maybe not quite, but close (D4 is very good and a large improvement) with their analog-output sensors, and the analog-output stuff does have some advantages.

They also clearly have the fab resolution to make on-chip analog to digital converters. We know this based on their point and shoot CMOS chips (much finer resolution features) and Canon advertising their steppers as capable of 40nm nodes and beyond (way more than needed). Whether or not their fabs are both equiped with their latest machines or not is another story....

We can be almost assured Canon will respond to DR concerns once the complaining about it reaches critical mass (lol). I'm convinced that we'll see new gen sensors from Canon in an APS-C cam first though.

And how will a 3rd full frame photo-oriented body be situated? Below the 5d3 to target D800 users? With simpler AF so it doesn't completely kill the 5d3? Maybe, but that just doesn't feel like a Canon move. Perhaps a 5-7k ish body?

If the 5d3 had came out at $2499 Canon would have a lot more room to maneuver, imho.

[Shadowblade]

Maybe at around the same price point as the 5D3, or slightly more, with 54MP and 16-bit A/D conversion, but only 3fps, with the rest the same as the 5D3? So you have the standard 5D3 for speed, and the new one for ultimate image quality.

[darosk]

My prediction is that Canon will continue to make ****loads of money.

[woos]

Originally Posted by darosk

My prediction is that Canon will continue to make ****loads of money.

Hehe for serious. There are a lot of other areas canon is in. One where they are rockin is printers....their wide format printers dont have the clog issues epsons have....the canon lineup is gaining acceptance.. in areas like that where they are the underdog you really see them innovate the crap out of thing like maintenance and usability heh.

[pbelarge]

Originally Posted by Stone 13

I believe development of this high MP camera is already well underway, and a 2012 announcement with an early 2013 ship date is very probable, but get ready for sticker shock. You just aren't going to get a uber MP body from Canon for $3K, I fully expect it to be in the $4.5 - $5.5K price range. For that price, I would reasonably expect the 5DIIIs 61pt af, dual CF slots and dual digic V. I would also expect although I won't get my hopes up for it to be able to shoot the same 6 fps as the 5DIII, if a single Digic V can push 22MP files at 6fps, there's no reason that dual digic Vs couldn't do the same with 40MP files, if Canon doesn't skimp on the buffer. They could throw in uncompressed HDMI & USB 3 just for giggles....

Sounds more like a 7-8 thousand dollar camera...

Canon has already set the bar, it does not seem to have slowed down sales too much, other than people on the fence - and this group of cameras is not priced for the "fence" and they are well aware of that.

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by pbelarge

Sounds more like a 7-8 thousand dollar camera...

Canon has already set the bar, it does not seem to have slowed down sales too much, other than people on the fence - and this group of cameras is not priced for the "fence" and they are well aware of that.

That would be a disaster. It would be like the D3x all over again - a great camera, but not competitive at all if the competition is offering the same thing at less than half the price.

[Stone 13]

Originally Posted by pbelarge

Sounds more like a 7-8 thousand dollar camera...

Canon has already set the bar, it does not seem to have slowed down sales too much, other than people on the fence - and this group of cameras is not priced for the "fence" and they are well aware of that.

Canon set the previous bar, but Nikon has set the current bar. I agree with shadowblade, a 7K high MP Canon would be a major flop considering the performance you can now have for less than half of that price. Canon can get away with charging a little more for a high MP body, but definitely not 1Ds prices.

That's why I said before that I don't believe Canon was surprised by the D800 specs, but they were very much surprised by the price. You don't generally give away what you can sell and it appears Nikon did just that...

[Jahled]

Originally Posted by Shadowblade

That would be a disaster. It would be like the D3x all over again - a great camera, but not competitive at all if the competition is offering the same thing at less than half the price.

I actually agree with this^ and this applies to the 1Ds3 as well; both of those cameras were priced ludicrously and no wonder sales were poor, poor enough for at least Canon to ditch the line. Despite what Canon have officially stated that the lines of the 1D bodies has merged, part of me is wondering if they can actually stand by this. And some of this may be dependent on what Nikon do with any evolution of the D4.

Both the 1DX and D4 are mind blowing cameras, but they cannot even be figured into any comparison with a sensor on the D800 or anything Canon might be working on. They are for different arenas. But if Nikon release a D4x or something and price it sensibly, that may be just enough to either shift the journalists over to them again en masse or remind Canon we like our 1D bodies.

The D800 price must have shocked Canon to the core; I can't see any reason why a 1DX doing what it was designed to need to be priced any differently from a MB beast housed in the same with the same AF, given they would afford us completely different things.

Not that I know anything