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Dec 03, 2005 22:36 |  #1

Here are a few pics of my airport runway. It was a new challenge, fun and stressful.
Let me know what you think.

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Tim

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Dec 03, 2005 22:39 |  #2

Very cool!!!! I need to go out an do some night flying and see what I can with this kind of shot..

On a side note.. Thats always the best view when you break out at minimums.. :-)


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Dec 03, 2005 22:47 as a reply to  @ slcr1's post |  #3

Cool shots. I know exactly how hard it is to shoot stuff like that. I've been up a few times with cameras in the past couple of years... Trying to do night shots of the city with a point and shoot was near impossible. :lol:


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Dec 04, 2005 03:01 as a reply to  @ Wazza's post |  #4

you're too low Stryker!!! ;)


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Dec 04, 2005 06:42 |  #5

On my monitor, something between the last two would rock! Do you know what a Layer Mask is?


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Dec 04, 2005 07:35 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #6

Photoguys, as far a layermask, I have not dealt with that yet. I have seen it mentioned but I have not taken the time yet to watch any tuitorials. Any suggestion is appreciated. Feel free to play with the images.
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Dec 04, 2005 07:36 as a reply to  @ *Zwitter*'s post |  #7

*Zwitter* wrote:
you're too low Stryker!!! ;)

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Dec 04, 2005 08:49 |  #8

I have PS open now, so I'll give it a "shot" ;)


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Dec 04, 2005 09:01 |  #9

See what I did?
Notice that I didn't lighten the landing lights at all, so they aren't blown as in your lighter exposure.

All Layer> Adjustment Layers have a built in mask, & Layer Masks allow you to make non-destructive, reversible, changes.
I used a Levels Adjustment layer in this illustration, because I didn't have a RAW file to work with but it's the same principal as blending two different exposures.

The Levels Adjustment layer is the #2 (top) layer. At it's right side is the layer mask. Default for these is white which allows all adjustments to operate on the image below that layer.
The black areas hide those adjustments from the bottom layer.
As long as the mask has a double line around it (may have to click on it to get one) you can use a brush to paint on the pic which modifies the mask effect on the layer below.

One thing I didn't mention is that an Adjustment Layer (AL) affects ALL layers beneath it. You can avoid that by Grouping (locking) the AL only to the layer below it by Alt-clicking between the AL & the layer below it. You'll see a little down arrow in the AL after you do that. (Not shown here as there are only two layers in the pic.)
A Group can be unlocked (guess what!) by Alt-clicking between the layers again.

Look for more info in the processing Stickys. ;) Here's another thread: A small tutorial - Adjustment Layer Masks


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Combining two or more images using layer masks:
One of the nice things about RAW is the ability to blend two different exposures, and/or two different color balances from the same picture. I've used several methods in the links below at one time or another, but lately have simplified MY procedure which works just fine for car pics. I usually don't need to have it work for fine areas like holding detail in tree branches against the sky. (Or a child's hair against anything else.)

Make 2 exposures in RAW conversion.
Image 1 will be the bottom layer, & is "normal".
Image 2 is dark to hold the highlights. (Or you could make it a lighter conversion to hold the shadows.)

Open image 1, then Shift-drag the layer from image 2 on top of it. (Shift-drag keeps everything registered.)
Then while layer 2 is still selected, go to Layer>Add Layer Mask / Hide All. The Hide All mask will be black, blocking all of image 2.

As long as the mask has a double line around it (may have to click on it to get one) you can use a light colored brush to paint on the pic which removes the mask effect from the 2 layer. I might start with white @ 40% opacity.
Layer masks are non-destructive. If you make a mistake, just paint over the mistake with a dark brush.

Edit: Trying to show two methods at the same time is probably a misTaKe on my part. For another illustration of combining two layers, take a look at: Need to remove a background from something?
There are more links farther down in that thread which should be helpful.

Adobe digital photography white papers and primers (external link)
The "Highlight Recovery in Adobe Camera Raw" on that page gives a much more detailed tutorial on contrast control using a different method of selecting the highlights. This is a 'must read' by Jeff Schewe
"The best digital cameras have about the same dynamic range as transparency film, but with Adobe Camera Raw you can actually process your raw images to pull out more highlight detail than you may have thought possible."

Lightroom 3 & Adjustment Layers video tutorial: http://www.photoshop.c​om/tutorials/6128 (external link)

An excellent tutorial on Blend Modes using Adjustment Layers which have masks built in:
Photoshop's Five Essential Layer Blend Modes For Photo Editing (external link)

More on Tutorial on layer Masking in post #9; (PS Elements in Post # 14)
A question about sky.

Layer Mask Tricks (external link)

How To Replace The Sky In A Photo With Photoshop (external link)

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Dec 04, 2005 10:45 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #10

EWWWWWW, your good, very very good. Thanks you for the tip. I will work on one and post it here in a few hours.

Thanks
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Dec 04, 2005 21:46 |  #11

:D Easy stuff once you find out where the feature is "hidden"! ;)
You can add a layer mask anytime with Layers> Add layer mask / "reveal all" or "hide". So you could put your lighter exposure with a mask on top of the darker one & reveal whatever you want to.


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Dec 04, 2005 23:12 |  #12

Nice shots. I know how hard it is to shoot a runway at night. I've tried it myself many times with no success. Good luck with the layer mask.


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Dec 04, 2005 23:34 as a reply to  @ RbnDave's post |  #13

Personally I like the first one. A more dramatic angle perhaps. Is the right hand lighting a reflection? maybe try cropping it out?

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Haven't heard much from you lately. Did you get a new camera? My laptop died this summer so I don't realy post much anymore....


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Dec 05, 2005 01:55 as a reply to  @ embdude's post |  #14

Here is an intresting one I took recently...

Came out ok... considering...


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Dec 05, 2005 06:40 as a reply to  @ embdude's post |  #15

embdude wrote:
Personally I like the first one. A more dramatic angle perhaps. Is the right hand lighting a reflection? maybe try cropping it out?

-Chris

Dave,

Haven't heard much from you lately. Did you get a new camera? My laptop died this summer so I don't realy post much anymore....

Chris, the first one is from the our approach with my camera outside of the plane. You are seeing a reflection on the plane on the right side. I will crop it out and post it again. I took about 200 shots with about 40% being satisfactory.

PS Nice airport shot. I like it.


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