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Old 10th of May 2012 (Thu)   #1
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Default the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

This is likely a frequent topic but since each app changes/improves with each release I would like to pose the question again.

When editing RAW files, to create pleasing pictures, be that with sharpening, noise reduction, WB, or the such, which app is doing the better job now? Such as .. Removing noise can soften an image. Which app causes the least softening? Etc.
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Old 10th of May 2012 (Thu)   #2
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

Well, I use Lightroom as my "workflow manager" and so do my Raw processing there.

And, the Lightroom Raw processor, shared with the Photoshop Camera Raw processor, has a significantly more advanced toolset for Raw than DPP.

That being said, DPP is quite nice for Raw processing when you don't want the advanced Lightroom capabilities. It's great for quick in-out conversions. Plus, it has tools that replicate the in-camera tools for creating a jpeg -- the basics of Picture Styles and White Balance, plus enhancement tools that get added to DPP when new image enhancement functions are added to new Canon cameras -- pretty cool when those features can be made available to photos taken with older cameras.

For those reasons I'm not dismissive of DPP! In fact, on any given day I'll often have DPP open right alongside Lightroom, sometimes "messing" with something, sometimes doing a quick conversion for whatever reason.

But, DPP and Lightroom don't "share" Raw processing/metadata, so work done in DPP won't show up with a Raw file in Lightroom and vice-versa. So, since Lightroom is my Workflow manager as well as my "serious" Raw processor, in the end shoots that have "meaning" to me go through my Lightroom Raw processor.

As to which Noise Reduction handles detail better, well again LR has more advanced tools, and, when I'm dealing with high ISO images with noticeable noise I'll be in Lightroom automatically, but if I am in DPP sure I'll toss in NR if it's appropriate to get a working image out the door.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

Using DPP I just opened an 18mp CR2 file, saved it as an 8bit and a 16bit TIFF, the TIFF files are 50 and 100 megabytes. Wow, do TIFF files grow like that in any conversion app?
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

That's pretty much par for the course. Jpegs get two kinds of compression, even Raw files get compression, whereas I don't believe DPP offers tiff compression, but even if you save a tiff out of Photoshop with compression you still get large files. The only "relief" is if you can save as an 8 bit tiff because you have done an ample amount working with your Raw file!

And, if you think that's scary, open a tiff in Photoshop, do some work involving a few layers, then save it with the layers intact, and check the file size!
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

18,000,000 pixels X 48 (16 bits per each RGB color channel) = 864,000,000 bits.

864,000,000 / 8 bits per byte = 108,000,000.

108,000,000 / 1.024 (1,024 bytes per kilobyte) / 1.024 (1,024 kilobytes per megabyte) = ~103 MB.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

Yowza, I have never done the math.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

I was a log time DPP user but just recently switched. I find LR/ACR far better for NR than DPP. DPP softens the image more.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

I really like DPP and it is always getting better. Just always watch for when Canon puts out updates on it. It has really improved a ton since I bought my 20D years ago.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

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I really like DPP and it is always getting better. Just always watch for when Canon puts out updates on it. It has really improved a ton since I bought my 20D years ago.
Very true, but ACR/LR has improved much more.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

I love DPP for quick and easy conversions and for "messing with" photos, but for "serious" work LR/ACR have more powerful features...
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

Using a canon 400d with 18-55mm lens I do the following:
Open all my raws in DPP and export to tiff
Then import to lightroom and work from there

I have tried but can never get my raw files to look as good just using lightroom (would be nice if I could as I could skip a step then)
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

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Using a canon 400d with 18-55mm lens I do the following:
Open all my raws in DPP and export to tiff
Then import to lightroom and work from there

I have tried but can never get my raw files to look as good just using lightroom (would be nice if I could as I could skip a step then)
I used primarily DPP for four years. For the last three years it has been LR. I firmly believe I can get a much better conversion with LR, but I freely admit that it takes a lot more work - both on the level of overall learning and experience gaining and on the level of the time spent with each image. Today, with LR4 this is even more true. LR4 can do things with a Raw file that it can't do with a tif and that DPP can't even approach. Read this article for a taste of what LR4 does (and then run to the nearest software store):
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/te...htroom_4.shtml
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I have tried but can never get my raw files to look as good just using lightroom (would be nice if I could as I could skip a step then)
In which way? Colour, IQ? I was a long time DPP user and recently switched to LR/ACR. I have to agree with tzalman on what he said.
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Default Re: the latest Lightroom vs latest Canon DPP

Do not use Luminance NR in DPP and you'll be fine. If you're using a fairly new camera, and expose well, you won't need it anyhow, unless you're shooting ISO 3200 and up.

Both DPP and LR4 are good raw converters, it mostly comes down to personal preference.
For some images, I still prefer DPP's sharpening.

LR does offer more options though.
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