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Old 29th of May 2012 (Tue)   #1
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Evidence of what I've been trying to tell members of the forum:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/states...154630033.html
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Old 29th of May 2012 (Tue)   #2
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I have paid taxes on my photography income for the past 7 years. If they want to nickle and dime my itemized expenses, they'll be wasting their time.

Of course, I'm sure I'm not the status quo for photographers.
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Old 29th of May 2012 (Tue)   #3
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Evidence of what I've been trying to tell members of the forum:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/states...154630033.html
the misspelled raped xD I am not a photographer, however, i still owe them 2k
"Vermont, Idaho and Oklahoma all hired additional tax auditors during the recent recession when revenues were lagging and have reaped millions of dollars as a result. "
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Old 29th of May 2012 (Tue)   #4
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Not a pro photographer, but we do run a small home business and sell all over the country as well as some international, We are seeing more and more cities and states trying to get a piece of our pie. Got a letter today from a city we sold items (one purchase) to in 2010 wanting us to purchase a city business license. The licence cost more that the profit we made off of the sale. We have to collect state sales tax for one state other than ours to do business there and are getting questionnaires from another on the same subject.

It is a part of doing business these days, so you better allow for it in your business plan.
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Old 29th of May 2012 (Tue)   #5
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more on taxes, we in Cal are in line to pay taxes on internet purchases and sales, does this not qualify as taxation without representation? a double tax? we buy used and sell used we paid our dues!
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more on taxes, we in Cal are in line to pay taxes on internet purchases and sales, does this not qualify as taxation without representation? a double tax? we buy used and sell used we paid our dues!
You REALLY have to look up what the underlined means! You're not even close.

You buy used and sell used, you still have to collect and pay sales taxes, what do you think privately run thrift shops are tax free? Of course not! You're buying used products and selling used products, there's no difference in the business model than if they were new beyond they're cheaper. If it's a business then you should be taxed, sorry but it's how it should be - you'd have businesses buying from distributers, putting them out for a test model for five minutes and selling at the same price as new but marked used just to avoid taxes. Now if you're getting taxed when you buy the items to re-sell, that's double taxation. I buy all the time and never get taxed as it's for re-sale.

As for internet sales, if you buy out of state and do not pay the sales tax then you're still supposed to report that purchase and pay taxes on it - though many do not, millions avoid paying taxes like that. It's nothing new, all they're trying to do is get the people who do not report the purchase and avoid paying their taxes.

Now, they do need to burn the tax code and start fresh, it's over 20,000 pages of a bad joke.
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Not a pro photographer, but we do run a small home business and sell all over the country as well as some international, We are seeing more and more cities and states trying to get a piece of our pie. Got a letter today from a city we sold items (one purchase) to in 2010 wanting us to purchase a city business license. The licence cost more that the profit we made off of the sale. We have to collect state sales tax for one state other than ours to do business there and are getting questionnaires from another on the same subject.

It is a part of doing business these days, so you better allow for it in your business plan.
Did you set up shop in that city (state) or mail something there?
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You REALLY have to look up what the underlined means! You're not even close.

You buy used and sell used, you still have to collect and pay sales taxes, what do you think privately run thrift shops are tax free? Of course not! You're buying used products and selling used products, there's no difference in the business model than if they were new beyond they're cheaper. If it's a business then you should be taxed, sorry but it's how it should be - you'd have businesses buying from distributers, putting them out for a test model for five minutes and selling at the same price as new but marked used just to avoid taxes. Now if you're getting taxed when you buy the items to re-sell, that's double taxation. I buy all the time and never get taxed as it's for re-sale.

As for internet sales, if you buy out of state and do not pay the sales tax then you're still supposed to report that purchase and pay taxes on it - though many do not, millions avoid paying taxes like that. It's nothing new, all they're trying to do is get the people who do not report the purchase and avoid paying their taxes.

Now, they do need to burn the tax code and start fresh, it's over 20,000 pages of a bad joke.

i hate taxes, especially misused ones.






Definition of 'Taxation Without Representation'
A situation in which a government imposes taxes on a particular group of its citizens, despite the citizens not consenting or having an actual representative deliver their views when the taxation decision was made. This situation was one of the triggering events that spurred the original thirteen American colonies to revolt against the British Empire.

Investopedia explains 'Taxation Without Representation'
During the 1760s, American colonists were not satisfied at the fact that all taxation related decisions were made by people living across an ocean, unaware of concerns in their colony. Colonists sought to challenge the status quo, which lead to a full blown revolution where the colonies fought the British empire for its own independence to have a right to govern its own affairs.


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Yea, stupid roads, playgrounds, schools, fire departments, police, military, how dare they tax us for this! Seriously, nobody likes everything their taxes are spent on, but I will GLADLY buy you a one way ticket to a nation with no taxes and government soon as you renounce your citizenship to never step foot here again - I hear Somalia is nice this time of year and you'll have plenty to photograph!

Lastly, if after reading that and you still think it's taxation without representation you really need to go ask Congressman Cardoza why you don't have anyone representing you in Washington, don't mind that puzzled look on his face when you ask though. Tell him you need someone to represent the people of your district as you don't know of anyone doing it.

Again, the whole code needs to burned and started fresh - but the whole take it to a third world country system, taxes are evil, bla, bla, bla crowd is a joke just as bad as the tax code. You're here you pay your taxes, you record every cent and report it, you stay on top of your representative and get involved, the only reason they get away with so much is most people don't pay attention!
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Yea, stupid roads, playgrounds, schools, fire departments, police, military, how dare they tax us for this! Seriously, nobody likes everything their taxes are spent on, but I will GLADLY buy you a one way ticket to a nation with no taxes and government soon as you renounce your citizenship to never step foot here again - I hear Somalia is nice this time of year and you'll have plenty to photograph!

Lastly, if after reading that and you still think it's taxation without representation you really need to go ask Congressman Cardoza why you don't have anyone representing you in Washington, don't mind that puzzled look on his face when you ask though. Tell him you need someone to represent the people of your district as you don't know of anyone doing it.

Again, the whole code needs to burned and started fresh - but the whole take it to a third world country system, taxes are evil, bla, bla, bla crowd is a joke just as bad as the tax code. You're here you pay your taxes, you record every cent and report it, you stay on top of your representative and get involved, the only reason they get away with so much is most people don't pay attention!


If you feel that the 150k plus freed prisoners is worth the savings, you can have them. i pay my dues always, i vote always, but so do the drones, and yet, they seem to win. if i want to express myself, I will, thank you. so nagging about taxes makes me unAmerican, wow, I guess the members of the Boston tea party were hardcore anti American? By the way you can bow all you want.
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How is sales tax unfair for the average American. Everyone pays the same, depending on your locale
If your a business you collect and remit sales tax. It was never your money to begin with, it is your customers.
The states are simply trying to collect some of the lost revenue from internet sales which are hurting them as well
as businesses that are cheating by not remitting.
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Did you set up shop in that city (state) or mail something there?
We just mailed them a phone in order two years ago is the only business we've ever done with that city. While never employed directly by city governments, I have had the opportunity to work very close with some portions of city government. Some agencies are very careful with the taxpayer's money while others seem set on building government through additional rules, fees and taxes as if they were trying to grow a business. I understand how that can happen, but that does not make it right.

I put 37 years into the plastics industry, mostly engineering and maintenance management in large facilities. If I ran my piece of the pie as a lot of, not all, government agencies do, I would have never made 37 years there.

Years ago I took a week of vacation to do some repair work on our church. I watched five DOT workers try for six hours to get a traffic marking paint sprayer to crank. At the end of the day, one of the works broke out a paint brush and painted the ten foot line they were sent to do in about fifteen minutes.

What has all this got to do about photography. MOD - remove this if you see the need!
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If you feel that the 150k plus freed prisoners is worth the savings, you can have them. i pay my dues always, i vote always, but so do the drones, and yet, they seem to win. if i want to express myself, I will, thank you. so nagging about taxes makes me unAmerican, wow, I guess the members of the Boston tea party were hardcore anti American? By the way you can bow all you want.
You realize how little sense you make? You argue about having to pay taxes and then have some off the wall comment going the other way about prisoners? You said earlier you owe 2K but now you pay your dues always, obviously you didn't. To top that off you have no clue about the Boston tea party, seriously you need a lesson badly! Yea, the tea party people were un-American, literally...they were under British rule! It happened in 1773 before the Constitution, before the revolutionary war, before the United States! To top that off taxes are very clearly written into the constitution. As for bowing, what is that a really bad attempt to insert some of that fake outrage towards POTUS?

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How is sales tax unfair for the average American. Everyone pays the same, depending on your locale
If your a business you collect and remit sales tax. It was never your money to begin with, it is your customers.
The states are simply trying to collect some of the lost revenue from internet sales which are hurting them as well
as businesses that are cheating by not remitting.
Yes sir, I do my sales taxes yearly now - as per the states request - so that money is in my bank account right now but it's not mine. It was my customers that had to pay it and basically I'm just "holding" it until they are due at the end of the fiscal year. Never was mine, but thanks to the state changing my status to yearly filer get to have it there and earn interest on it before paying it, now only if the bank would raise the interest rate!


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We just mailed them a phone in order two years ago is the only business we've ever done with that city. While never employed directly by city governments, I have had the opportunity to work very close with some portions of city government. Some agencies are very careful with the taxpayer's money while others seem set on building government through additional rules, fees and taxes as if they were trying to grow a business. I understand how that can happen, but that does not make it right.

I put 37 years into the plastics industry, mostly engineering and maintenance management in large facilities. If I ran my piece of the pie as a lot of, not all, government agencies do, I would have never made 37 years there.

Years ago I took a week of vacation to do some repair work on our church. I watched five DOT workers try for six hours to get a traffic marking paint sprayer to crank. At the end of the day, one of the works broke out a paint brush and painted the ten foot line they were sent to do in about fifteen minutes.

What has all this got to do about photography. MOD - remove this if you see the need!
First part, just mailing them an order is insane they'd go after you for that saying you're doing business in the city that way. That's definitely somebody trying to make things up and overstep bounds! I mail orders all over the country, Canada and a few international here and there and never got anything like that, insane. Entirely different if you set up shop there and were operating a location or something like that.

Second part, you're right and why the entire code needs to be burned and re-done at every level starting at federal. I don't mind paying taxes, I use the services they provide, but a lot of it is misdirected because of back end deals. Lots of things need to be fixed to make it easier on small businesses, and none of it really has been.

Right now though is the time to start small businesses, people just need to pay their taxes when doing so. I know more than a few "photographers" (used loosely) not paying them on their income and wouldn't surprise me one bit to hear they get busted. More strict they are on collecting the better IMO, why should I keep overly specific records of every last penny spent while the competition undercuts because they don't?
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Vermont, featured in the article, has some problems. It's hard to fund the government of a state with so few people. Plus, they are not very business friendly. Sometimes you reap what you sow.

http://www.vermontbiz.com/news/octob...tates-business
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