Photos used on BravoTV NO PHOTOGRAPHER CREDIT

[Numenorean]

Originally Posted by FlyingPhotog

Register the images NOW and hire an IP Attorney...

Slam dunk Vs Deep Pockets. Go get 'em!

This. Period. Don't let them off easy by letting them give you "credit". BS. Get some money.

[P51Mstg]

IT AMAZES ME HERE........

FlyingPhotog (Jay) and TIM both correctly SAY register the copyright and see Carolyn the photo atty......

Thats (as Jay put it) a slam dunk... Called statutory damages. You don't have to prove anything. You have the original or better the RAW image, thats all you need. Clipping the copyright markings off the photo make the damages greater. (hard to imagine anything on REAL TV (if BRAVO is real TV) would be SO STUPID TO DO THAT........

Now I forget what Statutory Damages are ($25k I think).

For all the people on here who complain about making nothing or fighting over a handfull of coins.... In the face of $25k in your pocket, someone still chimes in with GET A PHOTOCREDIT....... Remember the PHOTOCREDITS on anything you saw on TV last night for 5 seconds? NOPE.... IT does you no good, unless you want to advertise "my photos have been ripped by BRAVO TV and I got a credit instead of cash"...

Why not take the $25k? Would you cash in a winning lottery ticket?

Mark H

[TooManyShots]

Originally Posted by P51Mstg

IT AMAZES ME HERE........

FlyingPhotog (Jay) and TIM both correctly SAY register the copyright and see Carolyn the photo atty......

Thats (as Jay put it) a slam dunk... Called statutory damages. You don't have to prove anything. You have the original or better the RAW image, thats all you need. Clipping the copyright markings off the photo make the damages greater. (hard to imagine anything on REAL TV (if BRAVO is real TV) would be SO STUPID TO DO THAT........

Now I forget what Statutory Damages are ($25k I think).

For all the people on here who complain about making nothing or fighting over a handfull of coins.... In the face of $25k in your pocket, someone still chimes in with GET A PHOTOCREDIT....... Remember the PHOTOCREDITS on anything you saw on TV last night for 5 seconds? NOPE.... IT does you no good, unless you want to advertise "my photos have been ripped by BRAVO TV and I got a credit instead of cash"...

Why not take the $25k? Would you cash in a winning lottery ticket?

Mark H

Remember, this is a major TV channel ripping off the little guy. The little guy needs to fight back. It is a horrifying thought when a large cable or tv company asking to use your photo for free without wanting to pay for it. When does the little guy need to look out for the multimillion dollars company?

[team haymaker]

I'd bet the photos were provided by the client as they supplied other home photos too. so really he'd be going at the client wouldnt he?

[Dan Marchant]

Originally Posted by team haymaker

I'd bet the photos were provided by the client as they supplied other home photos too. so really he'd be going at the client wouldn't he?

No, - while the client did infringe copyright by distributing the images without permission the TV company also infringed by broadcasting the images. In cases like this you don't sue the client because of the golden rule - Only sue the people who have the gold. It is much easier to get money out of a big TV company than individuals. The TV shows lawyers will know it is a slam dunk, and that it is easier to just settle.

[PhotosGuy]

Originally Posted by team haymaker

I'd bet the photos were provided by the client as they supplied other home photos too. so really he'd be going at the client wouldnt he?

Maybe the client supplied them, but Bravo removed the © and replaced it with their own. Time for a "Intellectual Property Lawyer".

[StaticMedia]

Originally Posted by Bosscat

Credit isn't going to do you much good, when you want to upgrade your gear, pay off bills or by groceries.

Get screen shots and get an attorney and register those images post-haste

I agree with Boss. Take all the screenshots you can right now before anyone realizes they have screwed up, and backup the data twice. Regardless of who removed the watermark, A company as big as this should have a system of checks before they publicize any and all data. It is their responsibility as a network to screen all incoming data and legally support such things. They Pay someone to do this!!!! If they have a checkbox for (I agree) which addresses this.. and the client made ANY profit off of the exploitation of your proof then I would definitely target the client. Removing a watermark or a copyright logo in any way shape or form for other use is contempt in my opinion... and someone should be held accountable. You did not learn the science of photography for no reason! And just because it is digital...people need to realize that good work is not FREE! Keep us posted, I am curious to see how this works out.

[FlyingPhotog]

Originally Posted by P51Mstg

IT AMAZES ME HERE........

FlyingPhotog (Jay) and TIM both correctly SAY register the copyright and see Carolyn the photo atty......

Thats (as Jay put it) a slam dunk... Called statutory damages. You don't have to prove anything. You have the original or better the RAW image, thats all you need. Clipping the copyright markings off the photo make the damages greater. (hard to imagine anything on REAL TV (if BRAVO is real TV) would be SO STUPID TO DO THAT........

Now I forget what Statutory Damages are ($25k I think).

For all the people on here who complain about making nothing or fighting over a handfull of coins.... In the face of $25k in your pocket, someone still chimes in with GET A PHOTOCREDIT....... Remember the PHOTOCREDITS on anything you saw on TV last night for 5 seconds? NOPE.... IT does you no good, unless you want to advertise "my photos have been ripped by BRAVO TV and I got a credit instead of cash"...

Why not take the $25k? Would you cash in a winning lottery ticket?

Mark H

There are also statutory damages tied to the DMCA...

[john-in-japan]

So many threads like this, so many opinions and usually no resolution gets noted. To the OP, will you please let is know what finally happens and how you plan to spend the $25k minimum you will get for slam dunking this? Thanks, subscribing to find out. What is that popping sound I hear...?
Thanks,
John

[GadgetRick]

Originally Posted by Bishop Gideon

That could be what happened... Bravo asked for photos so the client cropped them down and sent them in. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that it was Bravo that did it.

Doesn't really matter. Bravo should check to ensure the person giving them the photos has the right to do so. That happened with a couple of my photos and TLC. They checked, the guy didn't have permission. They didn't want to pay so they are not using my photos.

[GadgetRick]

Originally Posted by john-in-japan

So many threads like this, so many opinions and usually no resolution gets noted. To the OP, will you please let is know what finally happens and how you plan to spend the $25k minimum you will get for slam dunking this? Thanks, subscribing to find out. What is that popping sound I hear...?
Thanks,
John

This guy isn't getting $25k. He'll wind up with the going rate for that type of work. I know plenty of photogs who fight these kinds of things all of the time. No large payday waiting for this guy.

But people do win these things all of the time.

[angryman]

I never did, and never will understand why photographers think a small token logo in the corner is a suitable watermark.

Slap something dead centre, even if it's relatively small. SHutterstock do it, and they still make sales.

The client, in general, is dumb, They probably think you gave them the low res shots to do as they please with, and had no hesitation in forwarding them onto other avenues.

Something like this will save you a world of heartache, and show the client that they are indeed samples, and they must pay for the final product.

[PhotogNY]

To the OP, assuming the photos were never registered, WHEN did you take the photos? Was it within the past three months? Did you post them on the internet anyplace, or just send a proof to the client?

These are the first two questions a copyright lawyer will ask you. And your answer depends on the type of recovery you're entitled to.

[digirebelva]

Originally Posted by GadgetRick

Doesn't really matter. Bravo should check to ensure the person giving them the photos has the right to do so. That happened with a couple of my photos and TLC. They checked, the guy didn't have permission. They didn't want to pay so they are not using my photos.

And all the person has to say is "Yes they are mine, and I have the rights to them"...and if they supplied them sans printmark how is Bravo supposed to know otherwise...at that point they are taking the word of the person giving them the images...until something actually gets started legally, everything beyond the fact that they were/are on Bravo is pure conjuncture as to who is responsible.

[wizcreations]

Follow the advice above, and go one step further: from now on, slap your watermark dead center on your photos.