Canon mirrorless leak image

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I'm really excited about this being compatible with both EF and EF-S lenses. I'm just curious impact the lens to sensor distance will have on depth of field. That is, if I attached the Sigma 30mm onto the mirrorless, will the depth of field be more or less at f1.4?

DOF will be the same as attaching it to any 1.6x crop camera, e.g. the 7D. You'll need an adapter to attach EF/EF-S lenses since the register distance on those is bigger than on EF-M (?) mount lenses, making the final register distance identical regardless of where you're mounting the lens. Not that the register distance affects DOF anyway, but there you go.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by Canon_Lover

For those of us who don't wish to carry an SLR for emergency backup, could easily pack one of these into a side pocket of a camera bag and have full compatibility with all the lenses.

Depends what you mean by "full compatibility". Mountable and usable? Yes. Useful in practical terms? Depends. AF speed is a big question mark right now with early videos showing it to be very pedestrian.

[Canon_Lover]

Originally Posted by Yohan Pamudji

Depends what you mean by "full compatibility". Mountable and usable? Yes. Useful in practical terms? Depends. AF speed is a big question mark right now with early videos showing it to be very pedestrian.

So in an emergency situation, what's better? Nothing or something?

It could just be the lens that is slowing it down...

If I am out camping for a week, I am in no way in hell carrying a second SLR body. This thing is probably the weight of just several batteries for my 5D2. For landscape work, I see this small treasure actually faster to use in Live view than the Slugasaurus that is my 5D2.

I can still remember when I bought a Pro-1. The mindset I had back then is exactly the mindset people today will have who are in the target market for such a camera.


It is strange how so many SLR shooters feel disenfranchised by this even though it is clearly not a product marketed to them. Nor, is it something they really need as a primary camera.

[Jason C]

It may have already been mentioned, but a mirroless system will give the photographer the ability to shoot tons of fantastic MF glass...provided there is an adapter for said glass.

Otherwise, I have no interest in Canon's "consumer grade" mirroless offering, so I'll happily stay with my fantastic Panasonic G3.

Jason C

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by Canon_Lover

So in an emergency situation, what's better? Nothing or something?

That's why I said "depends". If you wouldn't carry a backup SLR then it's definitely better than nothing.

It is strange how so many SLR shooters feel disenfranchised by this even though it is clearly not a product marketed to them. Nor, is it something they really need as a primary camera.

I'm a DSLR and mirrorless shooter, so I hope you're not referring to me--no feeling of disenfranchisement here The point about it not being a primary camera... I think part of the disappointment is that it's not targeted at being a primary camera for advanced shooters or at least having the functionality to serve as one in a pinch. Comparisons against the functionality of more mature mirrorless systems make it look bad, but that's to be expected. Time will tell if starting in the mirrorless market from low end (although $800 is quite a lot for a low end camera) and moving to high end is the right choice for Canon, but history is on their side as it has worked well for Olympus and Sony. Put out a higher end EOS M with built-in EVF and more physical controls and all will be forgiven.

... if they can get the AF up to par that is. Early indications are that it's leisurely.

[tkbslc]

This doesn't seem like a great backup solution. f you are bringing a bag full of crap anyway, the difference between having a cheap Rebel or the EOS M and the lens adapter in the bag is going to be inconsequential. Weight of the EOS M is only 200g lighter than a Rebel. Add in the adapter and you've split that difference down to about 100g. You also only get 200 shots per battery on the EOS M, but 600+ on a Rebel.

[Tommydigi]

Does anyone know if exposure compensation in a menu or a dial?

[ceremus]

Originally Posted by Tommydigi

Does anyone know if exposure compensation in a menu or a dial?

Probably both, it looks like most functions can (and must) be controlled from the touchscreen, but it looks like there's an EV function on the 4-way controller.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by tkbslc

This doesn't seem like a great backup solution. f you are bringing a bag full of crap anyway, the difference between having a cheap Rebel or the EOS M and the lens adapter in the bag is going to be inconsequential. Weight of the EOS M is only 200g lighter than a Rebel. Add in the adapter and you've split that difference down to about 100g. You also only get 200 shots per battery on the EOS M, but 600+ on a Rebel.

Didn't think about the weight of the adapter--good point. Canon_Lover is talking about camping though, and some camping enthusiasts are really particular about shaving every last ounce from their load, so maybe it could work for them? Just trying to see the positive side here.

[mpix345]

Originally Posted by tkbslc

This doesn't seem like a great backup solution. f you are bringing a bag full of crap anyway, the difference between having a cheap Rebel or the EOS M and the lens adapter in the bag is going to be inconsequential. Weight of the EOS M is only 200g lighter than a Rebel. Add in the adapter and you've split that difference down to about 100g. You also only get 200 shots per battery on the EOS M, but 600+ on a Rebel.

I agree. Where it might fit though is as a back up and as a high IQ P&S-type option. You'll grab your EOS-M w/20mm when any DSLR is too big. It will also serve as a back up option to your DSLR.

It might not win out in either situation as a first choice, but since it can serve both purposes it might be worthwhile.

[watt100]

Originally Posted by Uncle Flash

The specs kind of remind me of a 60D minus the viewfinder.

it looks smaller and lighter than a 60D

[RetroBlader]

Originally Posted by Yohan Pamudji

Depends what you mean by "full compatibility". Mountable and usable? Yes. Useful in practical terms? Depends. AF speed is a big question mark right now with early videos showing it to be very pedestrian.

AF speed is only half of the equation.

Nikon's hybrid AF (in the 1-series) reverts back to contrast-detection-only at EV10, which is nowhere near low-light in anyone's book.

If Canon's hybrid AF has similar restrictions, using our existing EF lenses on the EOS-M may become an excruciating experience -- just think about how your USM lenses focus right now in LiveView....

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by RetroBlader

AF speed is only half of the equation.

Nikon's hybrid AF (in the 1-series) reverts back to contrast-detection-only at EV10, which is nowhere near low-light in anyone's book.

If Canon's hybrid AF has similar restrictions, using our existing EF lenses on the EOS-M may become an excruciating experience -- just think about how your USM lenses focus right now in LiveView....

Oh, the horror! Thanks for the info--didn't know about that EV level limit for PDAF. The more I learn the more questions I have about the EOS M.

[watt100]

Originally Posted by RetroBlader

Nikon's hybrid AF (in the 1-series) reverts back to contrast-detection-only at EV10, which is nowhere near low-light in anyone's book.

If Canon's hybrid AF has similar restrictions, using our existing EF lenses on the EOS-M may become an excruciating experience -- just think about how your USM lenses focus right now in LiveView....

I guess we will find out soon. Hope the AF is decent for a pocket size camera