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Jul 23, 2012 01:37 |  #46

imjason wrote in post #14754971 (external link)
230shots... listed on dpreview

Yeah, That doesnt seem that fantastic... to be honest..

Compare:

NEX-5N: 430 shots
Olympus E-PL3: 330 shots
Nikon V1: 350 shots
Panasonic GX1: 310 shots
Samsung NX200: 320 shots
Rebel T4i: 440 shots
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EOS 7D: 800 shots

The Nikon J1 is the only mirrorless equal to it..and its likewise 230 shots...

Not bashing it, but if i went on vacation with it, id probubly be packing like 3-4 batteries with me...


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Jul 23, 2012 01:39 |  #47

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kinda agree. What really irks me is that pancake lens with the EF-M is an F2 lens, but for FF, they only release an F2.8 lens.......

I dont get why they would go to a new mount system as well.

That is only way to make the camera smaller. EF mount requires specific distance from mount to sensor. If using the same mount, camera is would be nearly the same size as a rebel dslr. See pentax k1 mirrorless system.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:39 |  #48

Nismode wrote in post #14755043 (external link)
It has a white dot on it, so I'm assuming yes. And it is an APS-C sensor, which is what EF-S lenses are made for.

http://www.canonrumors​.com …-hands-on-via-tech-radar/ (external link)

In the video the woman uses a 55-250 on it, So id say yes, the EF-S lenses work on it..

Also DPReview has a picture of a 60mm EF-S macro on it as well...

I'm guessing there wont be many telephotos for this system, Im not sure you can make a 55-250 any smaller (The Sony NEX 55-200 is almost as big...)


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Jul 23, 2012 01:47 |  #49

liupublic wrote in post #14755189 (external link)
Very similar to Sony nex system. That means slow af and large lens than any dslr.

Actually the AF looked pretty snappy from what I've seen, Keep in mind the image sensor has Phase Detect AF on it, theoretically even using a converter the AF should be pretty decent...

The 22mm is the compact lens of the group really... And unlike Sony at least the focal length makes sense as a walkaround general purpose standard prime...

That said, you're right, the lens weight is in line with the Sony


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Jul 23, 2012 01:49 |  #50

Looks nice but not quite what I want yet and that's disappointing but Ideally I've been thinking about these a lot but I cannot use a freakin' screen to realistically compose a shot all the time. I need a VF and that's a big negative for me. Aside from really world testing I could see this being my EDC with two primes.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:49 |  #51

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That is only way to make the camera smaller. EF mount requires specific distance from mount to sensor. If using the same mount, camera is would be nearly the same size as a rebel dslr. See pentax k1 mirrorless system.

so that means that a FF mirrorless would need a new mount all together..... that would be a huge bummer.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:51 |  #52

_aravena wrote in post #14755295 (external link)
Looks nice but not quite what I want yet and that's disappointing but Ideally I've been thinking about these a lot but I cannot use a freakin' screen to realistically compose a shot all the time. I need a VF and that's a big negative for me. Aside from really world testing I could see this being my EDC with two primes.

UMM, but Excellent idea for back up, great as a secondary body with a separate lens mounted, etc as you know. ;)


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Jul 23, 2012 02:07 |  #53

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so that means that a FF mirrorless would need a new mount all together..... that would be a huge bummer.

Ok... Because everyone keeps saying it...

If a FF mirrorless cam came out, expect to pay at the very least $3000 for it, I'd wager a pricetag closer to $4000 is more likely because its probubly not going to sell as well as a 5D Mark III

The majority of people out there spending that much on a camera system are likely professionals shooting a DSLR of some kind, people already with a heavy investment into DSLR lenses who are probubly not going to be all gung ho to switch over to a mirrorless camera

The other people are very dedicated hobbyists, But if they're dedicated, they likely also have a good investment into either the F mount or EF mount and will be very hesitant to switch over to some unknown system...

There is likely less demand for such a camera than a DSLR, which means you cant rely on numbers sold to compensate for a lower price..which means this has to be positioned as a premium product, with premium build quality and a premium price tag

No matter how you slice it such a system would launch with MAYBE 3 lenses, Most likely, you'd get something like an 28 f/2, 50 f/1.4 and a 85 f/2, each probably in the neighborhood of $1000+ due to the premium build the price of the system is going to dictate

While this is still cheaper than a Leica, how much of a market is there for this system? I dont know, but what I do know is that I dont think the higher end mirrorless cams sell as well as we all want to think, I think right now in mirrorless the money is in the mom and dad who want to shoot family events and such and see DSLRs as "too complicated"....

The X-Pro is a good example of this, Its a very good -photographers- camera, But it costs as much as a very good DSLR, and it still only has an APS-C sensor, not to mention it still has kinda iffy autofocus performance...

I find it difficult to believe that no company has come out with it, but then again, theres probubly a good reason, I dont have sales figures in front of me, but its very likely Canon, Nikon, Leica, Samsung, Pentax..or someone else played with the idea of a full frame mirrorless and realized they just were unlikely to make enough off of it to justify making it, or that they were going to have to price it VERY close to what Leica is charging which would be suicidal (Because most folks in the market for this thing fall in two categories, They have the money for the Leica and buy it, Or they dont have the money for the Leica and want to spend less..)


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Jul 23, 2012 02:21 |  #54

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Ok... Because everyone keeps saying it...

If a FF mirrorless cam came out, expect to pay at the very least $3000 for it, I'd wager a pricetag closer to $4000 is more likely because its probubly not going to sell as well as a 5D Mark III

The majority of people out there spending that much on a camera system are likely professionals shooting a DSLR of some kind, people already with a heavy investment into DSLR lenses who are probubly not going to be all gung ho to switch over to a mirrorless camera

The other people are very dedicated hobbyists, But if they're dedicated, they likely also have a good investment into either the F mount or EF mount and will be very hesitant to switch over to some unknown system...

There is likely less demand for such a camera than a DSLR, which means you cant rely on numbers sold to compensate for a lower price..which means this has to be positioned as a premium product, with premium build quality and a premium price tag

No matter how you slice it such a system would launch with MAYBE 3 lenses, Most likely, you'd get something like an 28 f/2, 50 f/1.4 and a 85 f/2, each probably in the neighborhood of $1000+ due to the premium build the price of the system is going to dictate

While this is still cheaper than a Leica, how much of a market is there for this system? I dont know, but what I do know is that I dont think the higher end mirrorless cams sell as well as we all want to think, I think right now in mirrorless the money is in the mom and dad who want to shoot family events and such and see DSLRs as "too complicated"....

The X-Pro is a good example of this, Its a very good -photographers- camera, But it costs as much as a very good DSLR, and it still only has an APS-C sensor, not to mention it still has kinda iffy autofocus performance...

I find it difficult to believe that no company has come out with it, but then again, theres probubly a good reason, I dont have sales figures in front of me, but its very likely Canon, Nikon, Leica, Samsung, Pentax..or someone else played with the idea of a full frame mirrorless and realized they just were unlikely to make enough off of it to justify making it, or that they were going to have to price it VERY close to what Leica is charging which would be suicidal (Because most folks in the market for this thing fall in two categories, They have the money for the Leica and buy it, Or they dont have the money for the Leica and want to spend less..)

meh, I think companies are purposely holding back... it's not like they dont have the tech to do it.

think about what Apple has done: retina display on an ipad.... you cant even buy a monitor with that type of resolution. They did the same with the iphone. They had to do it to stay ahead of the game. When it comes to cameras, there are only a few rulers, and they dont care for it.

Canon's new system will sell well simply because of name recognition. There's nothing ground breaking about this EF-M setup. The olympus setup seems much more slick, but at $800, I'm sure the canon will be heavily discounted during the holiday season (by design).


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Jul 23, 2012 02:30 |  #55

I am very interested. Would be fun to have the camera and the 22mm(is this looking like the US market kit lens?).

I lug my dSLR for standard pit lane and paddock shots and it might just be great! I am excited!


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Jul 23, 2012 02:40 as a reply to  @ dinanm3atl's post |  #56

I will have to see the first reviews before this interests me. I wonder how bulky it is with a reasonable zoom lens. I guess this fits between the Gx and the S100 and if so that could be a big hit. The S100 is so small that if I could get a little more out of a camera with not such a big "bulkiness" hit then I am all for it. The Gx is a little too bulky for me and if I am going to pack something that big, might as well just lug one of the smaller DSLR's with much better results. Again I will just wait for the first in the field reviews before deciding if that is a worthy purchase.


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Jul 23, 2012 02:48 |  #57

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UMM, but Excellent idea for back up, great as a secondary body with a separate lens mounted, etc as you know. ;)

I have a 20D and 40D backup. This would kike go with me everywhere anytime with like the 22 or 85 or something like that attached.


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Jul 23, 2012 02:52 |  #58

35mm equiv is not wide enough for me


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Jul 23, 2012 03:01 |  #59

The two EF-M lenses don't appear to have filter threads if you look at the pictures at DPreview:
http://3.static.img-dpreview.com …EF-M-22mm-F2-0.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
http://2.static.img-dpreview.com …-55mm-F3-5-5-6.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
http://2.static.img-dpreview.com …M_with_18-55mm.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
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Jul 23, 2012 03:12 |  #60

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The two EF-M lenses don't appear to have filter threads if you look at the pictures at DPreview:
http://3.static.img-dpreview.com …EF-M-22mm-F2-0.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
http://2.static.img-dpreview.com …-55mm-F3-5-5-6.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
http://2.static.img-dpreview.com …M_with_18-55mm.jpg?v=1546 (external link)
Is this for real?

photoshopped? why would there be a filter spec on the lens if there were no threads?


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