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Old 17th of September 2012 (Mon)   #1
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Default 6D - Your thoughts on EF-S lenses

First off, No, I am not talking about using EF-S lenses on the new 6D in this thread.

OK So the new 6D full frame camera has been announced and I will say that I am not interested in that. The 7D still does what I need it to do. But I am interesting in hearing other people's opinions on buying a bunch of EF-S lenses. I'll just call them crop only lenses from here on so that we include the third party ones in the discussion.

Me personally, I currently have 3 crop lenses, well 5 if you include the kit lenses that my wife uses on the Rebel Xt. I am looking into getting an UWA next so that pretty much by definition will be a crop lens too to bring me to 6 total.

What do you think will happen to value of these crop lenses on the used market over time now that Canon, Sony, and Nikon are making the FF jump a smaller leap? Pure economic theory would suggest a lower demand for used crop lenses and thus a lower price on the used market, but reality may be different. What do you think? Even though I'm not going to be buying a 6D, there may be a time when the 5D3 becomes cheap enough or the future 6d2 or 5d4 make me want to jump to full frame and then I am going to want to the the crop lenses.
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Default Re: 6D - Your thoughts on EF-S lenses

Making purchase decisions today based on a vague notion that you might want something else in the future is a good way to not have the tools that you need today.

Besides, I don't see the prices dropping any time soon.
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Old 17th of September 2012 (Mon)   #3
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Default Re: 6D - Your thoughts on EF-S lenses

The new "affordable" FF cameras are still too expensive for most people. A rebel is 1/4 the price of a 6D. I don't think it will have any impact on the value of crop lenses in the next 5 years. I think we will need to see at least two new generations of FF cameras for them to really become "affordable".
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Until you see the rebel and XXD lines disappear I wouldnt worry too much about the future of ef-s lenses. This new full frame offering is still 4 times the cost of a starter rebel so its not like the entry camera market is suddenly going to erode, or be abandoned. The 6D is about the same price as a 5DII so its not as if canon is trying to drive the FF market price point downward.
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I think Nikon did the right move with their D600, and Canon will be forced to follow with 6DII, is that ther FF camera can take in crop-only lenses, and then the camera can be used as a crop camera (using only the central portion of the sensor). If this indeed will be the case, the used EF-S lenses should not suffer much, as crop lenses are usually much smaller, lighter and cheaper than FF lenses. I can see that 5-10 years down the road the cost difference between crop and FF sensor will become so small that there will be no crop sensor cameras; but they should be backward compatible with EF-S lenses.
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I think Nikon did the right move with their D600, and Canon will be forced to follow with 6DII, is that ther FF camera can take in crop-only lenses, and then the camera can be used as a crop camera (using only the central portion of the sensor). If this indeed will be the case, the used EF-S lenses should not suffer much, as crop lenses are usually much smaller, lighter and cheaper than FF lenses. I can see that 5-10 years down the road the cost difference between crop and FF sensor will become so small that there will be no crop sensor cameras; but they should be backward compatible with EF-S lenses.
Did not realise that the D600 did this, good idea!

Surely the number of crops cameras far exceed the FF cameras out there due to cost. Sure this may change over time, but this must be a good number of years yet.
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Ah, doesn't the EF-S standard allow for part of the lens to protrude deeper into the camera body than the normal EF standard, allowing the mirror to potentially strike on the lens if you attempt to use it on a full frame body?
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Until you see the rebel and XXD lines disappear I wouldnt worry too much about the future of ef-s lenses.
To be clear, I am not worried about EF-s lenses going away completely, just curious to the value of used lenses becoming slightly less. A new 17-55 with canon lens hood costs $1100 now and a used one goes for ~$900 so a 20% drop in value. Will we see for instance a 30% drop two years down the road?
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I dont like the new back.

I find it ugly

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Ah, doesn't the EF-S standard allow for part of the lens to protrude deeper into the camera body than the normal EF standard, allowing the mirror to potentially strike on the lens if you attempt to use it on a full frame body?
I've always understood this is the main reason why Canon made the EF-S lenses incompatible with full frame bodies (without workarounds like extension tubes, etc.). Not entirely sure Canon CAN make them compatible with a 6D II or whatever.

That said, I own one EF-S lens, the 10-22, and it is a most excellent lens. It was the best option at the time. Turns out, it performs very well for infrared photography (even if it does have an odd color cast) in addition to visible light. We've got a 5D II and a 5D III now, but aren't planning on giving up the 7D any time soon. Different tools for different jobs (although we are going to be getting a FF ultrawide in the next year or so).
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To be clear, I am not worried about EF-s lenses going away completely, just curious to the value of used lenses becoming slightly less. A new 17-55 with canon lens hood costs $1100 now and a used one goes for ~$900 so a 20% drop in value. Will we see for instance a 30% drop two years down the road?
Honestly no. For the price to drop you would need to see a significant drop in the number of folks using crop bodies. Just not going to happen.
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if you do sell your stuff, I'de switch to the nikon D600 or 5D3...
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if you do sell your stuff, I'de switch to the nikon D600 or 5D3...
Well another option would be to pick up a 5Dc instead of getting say a 10-22 and then trading the 17-50/2.8 in for a 17-40. This would cost me about the same as the 10-22 when all said and done.
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Well another option would be to pick up a 5Dc instead of getting say a 10-22 and then trading the 17-50/2.8 in for a 17-40. This would cost me about the same as the 10-22 when all said and done.
right, that works as well if you're on a lower budget. If I didnt do video, I'de probably go that route.
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Well another option would be to pick up a 5Dc instead of getting say a 10-22 and then trading the 17-50/2.8 in for a 17-40. This would cost me about the same as the 10-22 when all said and done.
I did that in reverse. I had a 17-40 that I was using on my 40D. I got the urge to go wide and considered getting a 10-22. But rather than spending $600 plus on a ef-s lens I bought a used 5D to turn my 17-40 into an ultrawide. Best gear decision I ever made.
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