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Old 5th of October 2012 (Fri)   #1
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Default D60 v D650 image quality

Hi when I heard the new D6 I have been waiting for was going to be a full frame I decided to forget it and select one of the existing EFs Lens cameras.

Basically want to know which one will give a better image/picture and which might be best for bracketing and suppose thats it.

I have a D350 right now and the 3 shot braketing is a pain in the neck not to mention the low megapixel.

Only really ever use my 10-22 lens for interior photography thats why full frame seems a no goer with wide Efs lens.

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Old 5th of October 2012 (Fri)   #2
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

The recently announced 6D ? Is this what you are asking about ?
The D60 is a 6.3 megapixel camera from 2002
The 60D is a 18 MP camera- more recent- only a couple of years old ( 2010 ? )
The D350 ? Do you mean the 350D ?-- the 8 MP 350D ?
The 650D was released this year- 18MP - wonderful camera- by the way.

Here's the thing; when you go full frame- your lenses that are compatible- are WIDER on your full frame than what they are on your crop camera. So, if you went with a 6D- you would replace your EF-S 10-22 with a Ef 16-35 or EF 17-40... The formula is simple- for approximate field of view- to get what you would replace it with.. 10mm - you need 1.6X - approximately 16 mm on full frame.. 22mm on crop= 22 x 1.6 or 35mm.. Two similar choices for a full frame- similar to your 10-22 on a crop- would be a 16-35 or 17-40..

60D vs 650D. IQ is pretty similar.. The 650D is slightly newer technology- by about 2 years or so. Look at the rest of the features to see which you prefer.. 60D is larger- with more physical controls- although the 650D sports a highly useful touch screen - negates a few control knobs... 60D viewfinder is bigger and a little brighter.. 650D is smaller.. 650D autofocuses during video. The 60D was referred to as the "Super-Rebel".. fittingly- as the 650D can do almost anything that the 60D can- it's really a mini-60D+ (because it can do some things that the 60D can't ).

Note that you EF-S 17-85 would likely be replaced by something like a 24-105 on a 6D. On a 350D- to put it in perspective- it'd be like having an EF-S 15-65...

In the future- be sure to google the model numbers on Canon's... Canon has had a 60D and a D60 and it also now has the 6D- it can get confusing- but it makes it harder to respond- as no one knows what you are inquiring about...


The 6D is meant to be a studio camera- from what I've read.. Similar to the 5D 2.. IMO, not a sporting camera.. Should be good for landscapes and interiors as well. Depends upon what you shoot.
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Old 5th of October 2012 (Fri)   #3
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

the 6d will be over double the price of the 650d. if you want to keep your EF-S lenses, then stick with the crop sensor. otherwise sell it all and get a 6d and 17-40 to replace your 10-22.
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

I'm amazed how so many people get the Camera Names wrong.

Edit: I assume you Meant 60D vs 650D. Well here's a good comparison of the two. Not much of a Difference especially with Image Quality.

Canon T4i/650D vs 60D Which One To Buy?
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

Personally- I think that the OP didn't realize that he needs to "adjust" his numbers as far as millimeters - when looking for a lens selection for a Full Frame.. He was probably looking for an EF 10-22 or similar- not realizing that the replacement for an EF-S 10-22 would be a EF 17-40 or EF 16-35 for a full frame camera. Simple enough mistake to not know...

And I am biased towards the 650D.. (But I already have a 7D ). I was intentionally looking for a lighter rig anyways.. I also like the colors out of the Rebels - SOOC- a little more .. Subtle differences..
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

I was not aware that canon had a D60 and a 60D - very confusing but thanks for the response.

To me there is something wrong with this full frame situation. A 10-22 on a crop is almost the same as 17-40 on a full. According to my calculator 10-22 is 16-36 which is better. At least seem snot worth me spending all that money to change as you commented.
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

it doesn't, the D60 is a Nikon. The 60D is a Canon. Nikon puts the D in front of the number, Canon puts it after the number.
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Nikon puts the D in front of the number, Canon puts it after the number.
Like these two Canon dSLRs?
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/suppor...s_d60#Overview
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http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/suppor...s_d30#Overview
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

what about the end image quality, will there be a difference in say the richness or the colours etc
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what about the end image quality, will there be a difference in say the richness or the colours etc
Between the 60D and the 650D? No. At least, not from the raw image itself. The JPEG engine inside the camera that converts the data from the sensor into a JPEG image does differ rather significantly between the two, but that matters only if you intend to use the shots straight out of the camera instead of postprocessing the images on your computer. And since you're almost always going to get better results by postprocessing on your computer, the end result is no real difference to speak of.

Even the high ISO performance is the same between the two.


From what I've seen, Canon has made no improvements to the 18 megapixel crop sensor whatsoever over the past 3 years. Not that they necessarily need to, mind you. Aside from vertical banding in the deep shadows that plagues all current Canon sensors to some degree (even the 1DX isn't entirely immune, though it is quite a lot better than all the rest), the images produced by the 18 megapixel crop sensor are quite excellent.
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Default Re: D60 v D650 image quality

Thanks for that. Will the raw be better than my old 350D do you think?
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Thanks for that. Will the raw be better than my old 350D do you think?
It depends on what you mean by "better". If you're talking about dynamic range, then it'll be better, but not necessarily by a lot (Canon hasn't improved by all that much in that regard). If you're talking about tonal smoothness, then it will probably be slightly better because the 40D and up are capable of recording 14 bits per color channel.

If you're talking about what the view will look like at 100% then it may be closer than you'd expect, but remember that the 50D has nearly twice the resolution of your 350D, so it'll retain more detail while yielding a noise signature no worse than your 350D (and probably a little better, actually).

Now, depending on the lens you use, you might not actually see the additional detail the sensor is capable of capturing, but it is capable of capturing it if you use a sufficiently good lens. Even the modern kit lens (the 18-55 IS) is capable of sending tons of detail to the sensor. It's quite a lot better than your 18-55, and Canon improved the optics precisely because the sensors it was having to target have greater resolution.
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Thanks, your so well informed!
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Thanks, your so well informed!
Not as well informed as I should be! For some reason, I thought you had the 18-55 kit lens, but that's not the case.

Instead, your lenses are the 10-22 and the 17-85. And both are capable of providing tons of detail to the higher resolution sensors that are available in modern crop cameras.

See Photozone for tests of various lenses on the Canon 50D. The two lenses you have will do quite well on that camera body, particularly towards the center of the frame.
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