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wonder if it'll change, or if it's just to be compatible with the USB dock

http://www.sigmaphoto.​com/news/sigma-30mm-f14-dc-hsmexternal link

looks like they at least added another aperture blade, and made the MFD a lot closer...1:6.8

Post #1, Jan 29, 2013 10:44:00


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The press release shows it is compatible with the upcoming USB dock.

Now I know why I got such a great deal on the "old" 30mm 1.4 last month ... closeout price. :) It will be interesting to see if the new lens offers any real optical benefits. The one thing I noticed so far is that the new lens has nine rounded blades vs. 8 non-rounded in the old model.

Post #2, Jan 29, 2013 11:07:44


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edit: and nevermind

This is a APS-C lense so its for crops.

Regardless, I might pick up the 35mm just because I plan on upgrading to FF one day

Post #3, Jan 29, 2013 13:08:16


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One is for "crop" sensor cameras, the other for FF. ^

You only have one choice if you shoot full-frame... Two if you shoot crop.

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Darn it. I was realy hoping the next art lens would be 50mm. The current 30/1.4 IMO has much less flaws than the current 50/1.4 and they already have the 35/1.4 art. Not the priority order I would have choosen for the next art lens.

I would think the price on this would need to be significantly lower than the 35/1.4 art. I mean why would anyone pay the same amount as the 35/1.4 for a lens that couldn't be used on full frame.

Post #5, Jan 29, 2013 13:16:12 as a reply to Invertalon's post 6 minutes earlier.


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It looks like it is a completely new design - which is exciting: the old one had 7 Elements in 7 Groups, the new one has 8 elements in 9 groups (I just don't get how number of groups can be larger than the number of elements? Probably a typo - it should be the other way around). In the new one "Optimized power distribution minimizes field curvature thereby preventing a loss of image quality at the edges of photographs." I am excited if it's indeed the case - the original model had terrible resolution at the edge, which was the main reason I never considered it. Just look at their MTF chart:

http://www.sigmaphoto.​com/shop/30mm-f14-ex-dc-hsm-sigmaexternal link

(for the old model): the green lines (MTF at 30 lp/mm) go to the dismal 0.1 contrast level at the edge, with the barely acceptable being 0.2, and good being 0.5.

So let's hope the new lens is much better, on par with their new 35mm lens, with an affordable price.

I also noticed they announced three more art lenses today (all three are for mirrorless cameras): 30mm f2.8, 19mm f2.8, 60mm f2.8.

Post #6, Jan 29, 2013 13:38:55


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Yahoo - I found the new 30mm f1.4 Art lens MTF - and it is dramatically better than the old model:

http://www.sigma-global.com ...uct/art/a_30_14/dat​a.htmlexternal link

Just compare these two:

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The resolution at the center is comparable, but I see dramatic improvement at the edge, both wide open (contrast increases from 0.1 to 0.4, which is at the decent level), and closed down (goes from 0.4 to 0.7 - that is, from decent to superb).

For comparison, here is the MTF for their new 35mm f1.4 Art lens (it's FF):

IMAGE: http://sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_35_14/images/data/mtf.gif

So new 30mm is not exactly as good as Sigma's new 35mm, but it is pretty close (compare only the common frame position interval: x from 0 to ~14mm):

I want this lens!

Post #7, Jan 29, 2013 13:47:57


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I wish I had realized how bad the original 30 f1.4 was all these years. I shouldn't have enjoyed it as much as I do . . .

Post #8, Jan 29, 2013 14:18:53


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dnauer wrote in post #15548723external link
I wish I had realized how bad the original 30 f1.4 was all these years. I shouldn't have enjoyed it as much as I do . . .

It's never too late to stop enjoying something.

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"Enjoying" and "producing professional quality photos" are not quite the same thing...

Post #10, Jan 29, 2013 14:26:25


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pulsar123 wrote in post #15548749external link
"Enjoying" and "producing professional quality photos" are not quite the same thing...

So the current Sigma 30 f1.4 cannot produce "professional quality photos"? I've seen some posted by professional photographers in both the lens sample section and in the "photo sharing" section that were incredible. I've taken some knock out photos with this lens personally that have been used in calendars and in magazines. This analysis seems pretty harsh. But you probably are more knowledgeable on this matter.

Post #11, Jan 29, 2013 14:58:21


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Of course you can produce professional quality photos with the old 30mm, but the poor resolution at the edge severely limits your choices: e.g., never put the focus point in the outer 1/3 of the frame (this limits your compositional choices for portraits), avoid taking tight group portraits - because even closed down the edge resolution is not great; don't use for architecture/landscape​/abstract, where good center to edge resolution is very important; and so on.


Here is page with lots of details about the new lens:

http://sigma-global.com ...art/a_30_14/feature​s.htmlexternal link

And you can see that the new lens has a completely new optical design:

IMAGE: http://www.photosolution.co.uk/images/30mm_cons.gif
IMAGE: http://sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_30_14/images/specifications/construction_thumb.gif

Post #12, Jan 29, 2013 15:02:35


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pulsar123 wrote in post #15548565external link
the new one has 8 elements in 9 groups (I just don't get how number of groups can be larger than the number of elements? Probably a typo - it should be the other way around).

The 9th group is Sigma's magic pixie dust, not an element per se. :)

What does seem weird looking at the 2 lens diagrams posted above this reply, is that they seem to have left out all the fancy glass in the new one, with just 1 aspherical element, no ELD or SLD.

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I think that diagram simply doesn't show any special glass. But you may be right - they might have opted for 2 more cheaper glass elements, as it produced better IQ.

The new lens has a full-time mf override - was it the case for the original model as well?

Post #14, Jan 29, 2013 18:34:53


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pulsar123 wrote in post #15549754external link
The new lens has a full-time mf override - was it the case for the original model as well?

The original also had FTM and proper HSM, none of that micro HSM nonsense.

Post #15, Jan 29, 2013 18:36:04


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