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Old 3rd of March 2013 (Sun)   #1
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Default My first time shooting RAW.... Now what ????

Ok, so after learning a little more about my camera and a little more about the JPEG's that I've been shooting for the last year, I decided to save today's shoot in RAW (the ginormous size) for the first time, and JPEG's as well (also the big ones). I have a little bit of experience editing jpegs using the MSWindows photo editor; lightening, darkening, changing to monochrome, etc. It doesn't do too much. So what can I do with the RAW photos? Am I stuck until I get Photoshop, Lightroom, or something else? Or should I just sit on them until I can take a class? Any thoughts?
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Have you downloaded DPP?
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Ok, so after learning a little more about my camera and a little more about the JPEG's that I've been shooting for the last year, I decided to save today's shoot in RAW (the ginormous size) for the first time, and JPEG's as well (also the big ones). I have a little bit of experience editing jpegs using the MSWindows photo editor; lightening, darkening, changing to monochrome, etc. It doesn't do too much. So what can I do with the RAW photos? Am I stuck until I get Photoshop, Lightroom, or something else? Or should I just sit on them until I can take a class? Any thoughts?
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Have you downloaded DPP?
^^This^^

Canon provides Digital Photo Professional (DPP) free for use with Canon Raw files. It's great as a "starter kit" for starting into Raw shooting/processing. In fact, with DPP you don't need to shoot Raw+jpeg, because DPP takes the in-camera settings for your Picture Style, White Balance, etc, used to create the jpeg, and DPP applies those settings to creating your Raw preview, and also can do a quick jpeg conversion using those settings. But with Raw you have much more flexibility so that you can "tweak" all your settings and "massage" your image for a better conversion/jpeg!

So if you have the software that came with your camera, put the disk into the computer! Then you can get the latest version by cancelling the automatic Install and going to the Canon Web site and downloading/installing the latest version. And, get the latest Users' Guide for DPP and read it!
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Default Re: My first time shooting RAW.... Now what ????

Forgot to mention, I'll be installing DPP and dowloading latest upload shortly.
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DPP is hardly the best Raw converter out there, but it is useable enough while you save up for something proper.

Both Photoshop and Lightroom use the same ACR engine, with Lr mainly offering management features over Ps, that make it faster to work with. If you're on a Mac, Aperture is another consideration, though I personally don't use it. At the high-end you have Capture One, which is great if you like obsessing over image quality, but it's quite expensive.

There are a lot of sources out there on how to manipulate Raw files, and I can assure you, it will change the way you work when you get used to it.
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Then you're on the right track. I would highly recommend Photoshop (CS3 at least). The older versions you might be able to pick up fairly cheap. After a bad experience with buying Windows 7 Ultimate on eBay I'd suggest finding a reputable dealer for it. You'll pay a little more but you'll be getting a valid product and not pirated software.
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Forgot to mention, I'll be installing DPP and dowloading latest upload shortly.
DPP is quite capable for the basics of RAW manipulation. For 90% of my shots, that's all I use. Get used to that, then test some other programs (Lightroom, Photoshop, GIMP, whatever).
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DPP will get you started, in fact, there are numerous POTN users who happily use DPP for working with Raw, and then they use an "image editor" for other things they want/need to do. For that type of thing you may want to look into Photoshop Elements, although since you've been shooting and working with jpegs for the past year, well, there's nothing "new" there unless you want to "step up" to a higher level of image processing.

Now, you've heard about Photoshop CSx and Lightroom, and in time you may want to "buy in" to more elaborate software. I'd just say "take your time" -- read up on software you may be interested in. When you feel like you are ready to delve into something, download the free trial when you have a month that you can devote toward the "learning curve". And realize, these complex programs do have a learning curve! For example, Lightroom has a ton of enthusiastic users here, but to get started using Lightroom effectively, you need a concept of Digital Asset Management (DAM) which Lightroom embraces from the "get-go", organizational tools at the core that myny folks getting started don't grasp and so get frustrated.

So, if you're considering Lightroom, I'd start with getting a good Lightroom "primer" (such as the book by Scott Kelby), downloading the free trial, and spend the month walking through the primer one page/tutorial at a time, and in the meantime you'll have DPP, you can get work done (although you can't "share" Raw processing between DPP and other apps). And then, if you do get comfortable with Lightroom or PS CSx or whatever, you still have DPP as a "reference". You'll not that your initial previews/renderings will look "different" with different Raw processors. DPP is nice because you can choose a PIcture Style to get a "jpeg look" and then you can look at the DPP settings and use them as a reference to "tweak" things in your other Raw processor!

And, welcome to the "Digital Darkroom"!
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Then you're on the right track. I would highly recommend Photoshop (CS3 at least). The older versions you might be able to pick up fairly cheap. After a bad experience with buying Windows 7 Ultimate on eBay I'd suggest finding a reputable dealer for it. You'll pay a little more but you'll be getting a valid product and not pirated software.
The OP has a 60D, the older versions aren't going to be able to read the raw files of a camera that new. I would think that CS5 is the oldest version that can handle it, but the OP would need to check that out by seeing which version of ACR is required for a 60D and which versions of PS can accept that.

Maybe someone with a 60D can chime in with the answer to which versions of PS will work.
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You can get Adobe DNG converter. It's free and it will convert your 60D raw files to standard format DNG files, which will open in Photoshop CS3.

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...jsp?ftpID=4924

It requires one extra step but worth it if you can get CS3 for dirt cheap.

Another route would be to buy the latest Photoshop Elements 11. It's $120 on Adobe's website but you could look around and find it cheaper somewhere else I'm sure.
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Default Re: My first time shooting RAW.... Now what ????

CS5 and ACR6.2 I think are the requirements for the 60D. Unless you want to convert CR2 to DNG, then it's pretty open.

DNG is looking better and better to me all the time. Adobe software becomes a bit of a slippery slope if you upgrade bodies fairly often. Chances are you should just figure in the cost of the latest and greatest CS because chances are, your new camera isn't going to be compatible with your "old" software.
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You can get Adobe DNG converter. It's free and it will convert your 60D raw files to standard format DNG files, which will open in Photoshop CS3.

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...jsp?ftpID=4924

It requires one extra step but worth it if you can get CS3 for dirt cheap.

Another route would be to buy the latest Photoshop Elements 11. It's $120 on Adobe's website but you could look around and find it cheaper somewhere else I'm sure.
The problem is that the current versions of ACR and LR with the P.V. 2012 engine are so hugely superior to any previous version that it is foolish to buy anything less. If I could buy only one photo editing application it would surely be Lightroom 4.
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If Adobe were to incorporate the pixel editing tools of the latest version of Elements into LR4 then I think photographers would have the perfect one stop photo management/editing solution. I don't think that there is anything much of great significance to photographers that is not contained within LR4+Elements 11 that you get with LR4+CS6.

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DPP can make a great foundation. It has less features than other software but I see that as an advantage. It's a very simple way to open, edit a RAW file and output a jpg.

The OP may find that it's not worth the effort or that the in-camera jpg is what he would have made from the RAW file anyway.
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DPP is hardly the best Raw converter out there, but it is useable enough while you save up for something proper.

Both Photoshop and Lightroom use the same ACR engine, with Lr mainly offering management features over Ps, that make it faster to work with. If you're on a Mac, Aperture is another consideration, though I personally don't use it. At the high-end you have Capture One, which is great if you like obsessing over image quality, but it's quite expensive.

There are a lot of sources out there on how to manipulate Raw files, and I can assure you, it will change the way you work when you get used to it.
I'd avoid Aperture for RAW editing (although I think it's great for organizing files). I much prefer using Photoshop for RAW editing after comparing both of them. (Although, there are times where I got more back from my photo using Aperture than PS; still, in most cases, I found Photoshop worked better).
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