[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[I Simonius]

What do you NOT like about your 10D or 20D that you would like to see in the 30D?
REALISTICALLY and without too much nit picking?

I thought I'd start this thread because as much as I like my 20D, now that I am getting the hang of it there are certain things that annoy me, and I would like to tell canon (but don't know how) - Apart from the obvious wishes for a 30D with 16MP, full frame, etc what other changes?

My 30D wish list
1 - When you change from manual to Av Tv etc the function of the wheels changes......
e.g. the top wheel changes the aperture then speed. I would rather it always did one or the other OR that there was a facility to change this as SET
I find it confusing when in a hurry and swapping twixt functions quickly with the VERY changeable English weather
So I would like the ability to keep the top wheel as performing the same function in any mode and the big lower wheel performing the other (speed/aperture)

2- completely do away with all the basic zone functions

3 - make the viewfinder bigger!!!

4- increase the LCD and internal display illumination even higher, it is still difficult to see in really bright light

5- DO NOT change or shape the size of the camera

6- put the same dioptre adjustment as in the VF onto the LCD info display, so you don't have to keep putting glasses on and off just to see the settings. It's OK for the MENU, where you are less likely to be in a hurry, but it's a bane of the glasses wearer when you have to keep making quick adjustments as a glasses wearer. Obviously it cannot cater for over a certain level of correction but it would be invaluable to those that it would assist

7- make it closer to the professional range,it is too close to the Drebel, XT range. e.g.. water-proof it.

[Toogy]

I'd like to see the ISO in the VIEWFINDER. That would be awesome.
Also a bigger viewfinder would be nice.
AND a battery grip that isn't garbage.

[BottomBracket]

Great ideas all, especially the battery grip Perhaps true spot metering as well?

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by BottomBracket

Great ideas all, especially the battery grip Perhaps true spot metering as well?

YES true spot!

[BobL]

Originally Posted by Simon king

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6- put the same dioptre adjustment as in the VF onto the LCD info display, so you don't have to keep putting glasses on and off just to see the settings. It's OK for the MENU, where you are less likely to be in a hurry, but it's a bane of the glasses wearer when you have to keep making quick adjustments as a glasses wearer. Obviously it cannot cater for over a certain level of correction but it would be invaluable to those that it would assist.

This ain't going to happen without an adjustable lens in front of the LCD info display which is relatively large and would add to the bulk of the camera. BTW if you can do this without a lens you are going to make squillions selling visual displays to people who need to use glasses to use them.

What might be feasible sooner, is for some sort of internal eye-up display that projects the LCD info onto the viewfinder/mirror at the push of a(nother) button.

[jyrgen]

Here's my list of demands
- user programmable Program Modes - so one can create several custom rule/priorities based program modes for different situations (e.g. "always close aperture down one stop" - very useful for variable-aperture zooms, or "keep shutter speed at least 1/1000 (priority 1), aperture between f/8-f/11 (priority 2), ISO as low as possible (priority 3, until it reaches 800, after which priority changes to 1)), whatever - there will even be some free slots on Mode Dial, since we get rid of these Basic Zone pictograms thanks to the first post
- keep the 1.6x crop
- show ISO in the viewfinder
- attach grip permanently, i.e. make body like 1 series, with vertical controls, but a little bit smaller, like the current 10D with grip
- add spot metering
- add few megapixels (10-12 is enough)
- take autofocusing system from 1 series (thanks to the crop the 45 points would cover almost the whole view).

Basically, take a pro body, replace the sensor (and viewfinder, I'm afraid) with a smaller one and make body a bit smaller accordingly. Plus, the user-programmable Program Modes.

Also develop autofocusing calibration software that anybody can use not just Canon Irvine or alike. I want just to connect the camera to the computer, put it on tripod, give some target (the target can be printed on the bottom side of the OEM packaging!) and let it run. Not that I have any focus problems but I have read few people have here and there.

[Stymyx]

I’d like to see the shooting mode (Tv, Av, M, etc) displayed in the viewfinder. I’d also like to see not only a brighter rear LCD screen, but a bigger rear LCD screen. And I'd like true spot metering as well.

I wouldn’t remove the Basic modes. They come in way too handy for me. If I ever want to hand my 20D to my girlfriend (who knows nothing about photography concepts, nor does she want to learn) and let her take a few quick “snapshots”, I can switch it to a basic mode and let her fire away. I call it SWMBO-Mode. I made the mistake of calling it Dummy Mode in front of her once. ONCE! You can imagine how THAT went over!

You DO all know what SWMBO stands for, right?

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by BobL

This ain't going to happen without an adjustable lens in front of the LCD info display which is relatively large and would add to the bulk of the camera. BTW if you can do this without a lens you are going to make squillions selling visual displays to people who need to use glasses to use them.

What might be feasible sooner, is for some sort of internal eye-up display that projects the LCD info onto the viewfinder/mirror at the push of a(nother) button.

You're right - and a cool idea!

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by Stymyx

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You DO all know what SWMBO stands for, right?

I can make lotsb if crazeee guesses - but nope!

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by jyrgen

Here's my list of demands
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- keep the 1.6x crop

Hi,
why do you prefer the 1.6?

[rdenney]

I agree to keep the package as it is currently configured, including the rotating mode selection knob.

But I want a 24x36 sensor. Keep the pixel density the same, and that way those who think a smaller sensor makes their telephotos more telephoto can just crop down to the 15x23 format. That would make it a 15MP sensor with the same density as a 10D. The big sensor will yield a big mirror and ground glass, and that will make a larger viewfinder image.

And I wand a split-image focusing aid in the finder--it doesn't have to be right in the middle.

Rick "who may well save up for a Pentax 645 digital rather than a replacement for the 10D" Denney

[Stymyx]

Originally Posted by Simon king

I can make lotsb if crazeee guesses - but nope!

That would be:

She Who Must Be Obeyed.

[smirchfa]

Along with the expected upgrades, such as slightly more MP, all I really want to change is ISO in the viewfinder. I feel that the larger sensor, and along with it larger viewfinder, is going to remain the territory of the 1 series bodies, or possibly an EOS 3-D level camera sometime in the future. If that camera ever became reality, the 20D and it's future generations would forever remain in the "advanced amateur" class, such as the Elan series, and the basic modes would be here to stay. On the other hand, if there is no such plan for an EOS 3-D or equivalent, I would love to see the 30D beefed up a bit and taken to the "prosumer" level.

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by Stymyx

That would be:

She Who Must Be Obeyed.

Ahhh, her indoors!

[I Simonius]

Originally Posted by smirchfa

Along with the expected upgrades, such as slightly more MP, all I really want to change is ISO in the viewfinder. I feel that the larger sensor, and along with it larger viewfinder, is going to remain the territory of the 1 series bodies, or possibly an EOS 3-D level camera sometime in the future. If that camera ever became reality, the 20D and it's future generations would forever remain in the "advanced amateur" class, such as the Elan series, and the basic modes would be here to stay. On the other hand, if there is no such plan for an EOS 3-D or equivalent, I would love to see the 30D beefed up a bit and taken to the "prosumer" level.

For me the 20D is exactly the right size and wheight, I woouldn't want a bulky camera or a too light one.
Whatever they call it though I would like one with a FF sensor (and therefore larger VF)