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Canon EOS 7D Mark II, reviewed by wallstreetoneil

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Dec 15, 2014 15:17 |  #1

Had the camera now for a few weeks - my other 2 cameras are 5D3s - so much of my comments are written with the 5D3 as my basis of comparison.

For the last few weeks I have used the camera at 10+ hockey games, an indoor training session, and outside in my backyard to get use to it - all in likely 1500 pictures.

I likely would never have bought the camera if I didn't want a sports camera AND I didn't already own two 5D3s which I use for weddings. I was seriously thinking about switching over to two 1DXs as I do not want to have to think while using a camera - I want everything in the same place so I don't have to think - thus I weighed my options, tried out the 1DX extensively at a store - and ultimately for me I went with the 7D2 to add to 2 5D3s instead of owning two 1DXs.

The two principle deciding factors for me were - more weight and too loud for weddings (1DX) and the added reach for Sports which is my current non professional gig (the 70-200 or 70-200 + 1.4x is perfect for me on the 7D2).


The Camera

1) I have settled on shooting RAW and RAW because it is faster than RAW + Jpeg
2) Love the dampened shutter even at 10FPS - awesome
3) For non professional work, ISO 4000-6400 clean up well with noise reduction (this is impressive)
4) 2500 ISO, in my opinion, seems to be the high ISO sweet spot (very little quality give up for the low light capability)
5) 2500 ISO on a 7D2 = 3200 ISO on a 5D3 (but I think noise reduction works better on a 7D2)
6) With a combo CF Lexar 1066x and SD Extreme PRO 95 MB/s I can get 25-28 RAW files before filling the buffer
7) For AI Servo for hockey I have settled, for now, on Case 2 with Tracking = 0, Accel =1, AF Switching =0) - seems to work - basically this is lower Tracking (0 vs 1) and Increased Accel (1 vs 0)
8) There is 'something' richer about the images off a 5D3 vs the 7D2 - but what you can do in PP, especially wrt noise reduction, is very good with the 7D2
9) I love the fact that I did not have to learn a new camera - 5D3 users will immediately feel at home.
10) In extreme low light the 5D3 will grab focus with less contrast than the 7D2 - this is a very small effect and I had to experiment to show where it happens but a bigger sensor is a bigger sensor
11) I like the fact that you can EC even with Auto ISO but I wish you could do it with a dial without having to press the Q button (maybe I'm missing something)
12) I wish Canon would enable Spot metering to follow Spot Focus on the 5Ds and 7Ds - please? - I shoot almost 100% in manual but I would LOVE this function and it would really make me use AV mode - especially with Auto ISO and the ability to still EC.
13) I micro adjusted all my lenses to the camera and I am happy with focus
14) I think after 1000+ images of hockey I get about 70% hit rates with fast action using AI Servo and Back Button AF - it isn't 100% but it is good
15) The Sigma 17-35 1.8 makes for a great everyday lens, and with this lens if I didn't own a 5D3, I think I would be very happy with it and a 70-200 IS as a 2 lens setup (it wouldn't be a light setup however)
16) Haven't used the flash yet but camera works perfectly with the 600EX-rt - both on and off camera.

This isn't a camera for everyone but for me, a 5D3 user, if makes for a great compliment camera for sports. I may even pick up another 70-200IS and just weld it to the camera.


Overall, I would give the camera a 9/10 - it would get a 10/10 if the battery lasted 50% longer, the hit rate was 90% vs 70% while focus tracking and if somehow magically ISO 6400 was as clean as 3200.


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Dec 15, 2014 15:31 |  #2

I'm a 5D MKiii owner also and I bought a 7D MKii for about the same reasons and I agree with what you said except for the battery issue. They seem to last as long in the 7D MKii as the 5D MKiii with the gps off.




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Dec 16, 2014 05:28 |  #3

Nicely balanced review. I've noticed the same about ISO 2000 - 2500, up to that range is very usable without a lot of NR. Thanks for this post doing such a great job showing the versatility of the 7DII.


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Dec 24, 2014 06:48 |  #4

Thx - waiting for the price to drop a little




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Dec 25, 2014 08:04 |  #5

Great review.

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Jan 08, 2015 16:30 |  #6

11) I like the fact that you can EC even with Auto ISO but I wish you could do it with a dial without having to press the Q button (maybe I'm missing something)

You can go into custom controls and change the "set" button to change EC on the fly looking in the view finder. You press and hold in the set button and then turn the upper wheel by the shutter release to change the EC up or down while in auto ISO.


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Jan 09, 2015 23:37 |  #7

Thanks for the review, I see one of these in my future


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Jan 12, 2015 01:07 |  #8

I appreciate the review.
I am directly on the fence for the 7D II.
Currently I use 2 7Ds set up the same and I like it that way with a 40D as a back up.
I have gotten into video much more since getting my first 7D shortly after they were released.
Do you think it is a worthy upgrade over the 7D?
For the record I am and have always been well pleased with the 7D.


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Jan 12, 2015 01:12 |  #9

I enjoyed reading your review. Could you please complete the ratings so I can see what score you give each Gategory. I find this useful. Thannks


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Jan 14, 2015 09:55 |  #10

Thanks for sharing, now to make up my mind.




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Jan 20, 2015 06:28 |  #11

I've had my 70-200 2.8 IS II on my 7D forever. I did not want to spend the money on the 7D II, but after reading your review, I'm convinced I have to sell my old 7D and connect my dependable 70-200 on a new camera. I have not made the jump from my 5D II to the 5D III, waiting for the next one. But I love having the fast set up for my sons doing crew now in HS. I just got an SL1 last year before the holidays and I love it, but the 7D series is just so fast, I can't ignore it anymore. I am troubled about the spot metering not being as good as it could be, but I think I can work around it for what I do. Thanks.


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Jan 22, 2015 09:25 |  #12

Thanks for the review. I had to sell my 5dIII a couple of weeks ago. I had planned to anyways to get the 7dIII anyways but was going to wait. now I am definitely getting it soon.


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Jan 22, 2015 23:00 |  #13

Thanks for the great review. I think I've been a little too conservative with my ISO levels on the 7DII. I've only occasionally went to ISO1600. However when I first got it I went to ISO3200&6400 at night and was a little disappointed. However I must say I totally love the 7DII, it is a real joy to use. I should point out that the 7DII with the Sigma 18-35mm F/1.8 is a killer combination. With the original 7D I was ready to sell the Sigma lens because it really highlighted the weakness of the old 7D focus system. With the 7DII it is rarely wrong. The low light 7DII video performance with this lens is incredible too. I also have the old 100-400L and with the original 7D i rarely had good success. Now it works wonderfully too. My advice for any on the fence about the 7DII is make the move, I've been so very pleased with it mostly because of the focus system.


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Jan 22, 2015 23:24 |  #14

Thanks for the review. I'm coming to the 7D MKII from a 50D and my impressions are very much like yours - in particular as to how much can be brought out of 7D2 files in post.

I always used the back button focus with my 50D with the shutter half press disabled and almost always in AI Servo. With the 7D2, I am using one shot and back button for static shots but am moving back to the shutter button when in AI Servo.

Enjoying this camera very much.


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Jan 23, 2015 07:10 |  #15

SuzyView wrote in post #17390960external link
I've had my 70-200 2.8 IS II on my 7D forever. I did not want to spend the money on the 7D II, but after reading your review, I'm convinced I have to sell my old 7D and connect my dependable 70-200 on a new camera. I have not made the jump from my 5D II to the 5D III, waiting for the next one. But I love having the fast set up for my sons doing crew now in HS. I just got an SL1 last year before the holidays and I love it, but the 7D series is just so fast, I can't ignore it anymore. I am troubled about the spot metering not being as good as it could be, but I think I can work around it for what I do. Thanks.

Suzy.
Today I am grabbing a second 5D Mark III. It is that good. For some upcoming gigs, I need a second body so I do not have to swap lenses.
Like you I have my old 7D's as well. Looking at the new 7D Mark II, I may see an upgrade myself as well. The extra reach, higher FPS while having basically the same button layout is huge.
Having used the 7D along the 5D Mark III for sports the button layout is very similar. Having the upgraded 7D Mark II along side the 5D Mark III is that much more satisfying.


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