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Dec 17, 2014 21:43 |  #31

digital paradise wrote in post #17338762 (external link)
The new thing here is the eyeglasses. Our max size used to be 1024 on the long side but I noticed your image was 1280. Is a larger size OK now with the new site? I have not real checked into it but I have been clicking on the glasses to view.

I hope don't mind that I ran it through my action as I was curios as you are because they are shipping mine tomorrow. I kept the crop size the same and just got rid of some outer stuff to stay within size.

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Dec 17, 2014 21:47 |  #32

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Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM Review

I received my 100-400mm MkII this morning on a gay dismal day, but was anxious to get out with it and I had time, so I put it on the 1D4 for familiarity, pocketed the 1.4x II just in case, and off to the beach I went.

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AutoFocus: Let's start with one of the most important factors for a lens in this category. Unfortunately, for me as a birder, today I was not given an opportunity t use it on birds in flight. That said, the lens offers a very strong impression indeed for all focusing tasks I asked of it today. At the risk of being too enthusiastic I must say that This lens is the fastest most accurately focusing lens I have had opportunity to shoot.

On the 1D4 and 5D3 side by side it is mopped the floor with the otherwise amazing 200mm f/2L! Quicker, quieter, and more confident. In fact the assertion with which this lens snaps into correct focus is absolutely unequaled. Dead silent, it is a quick "snick" sound then it's in focus. I've never seen anything like it. Going from near infinity on a distant house peak to the tree 3 feet in front of me offers ZERO hunt, just the brief blur as it travels from all the way out to nearly all the way in and solid perfectly accurate lock.

It is absolutely faster than the 400mm f/5.6L prime.

It also bested the 200mm f/2 indoors in low light for af speed and lack of hunting on both 1D4 and 5D3.

I am quite sure that when I do the side by side, it will be faster than the 500mm f/4L IS (v I)

Folks, I did not believe it was possible for a zoom to focus so fast and confidently. Canon has really made some significant improvements with the MkII designs.

Tracking on the 1D4: I have yet to be able to test it on birds in flight, but it tracked my dogs running through the tall beach grass as well as or better than the 400mm f/5.6L prime.
More on this later.

1.4X T-Con: I tried out the 1.4x MkII when the light was good and the AF did not seem to slow or lose accuracy. This is better than the results I get from any other zoom I have tried, besting the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS (VI) and better than most primes.

Minimum Focus Distance: At approx 3" 6" it is nearly half what the VI gave us with it's already impressive and useful 6 foot MFD. Compare it to the 400mm f/5.6L prime and it's a shocking upgrade for those that are not always shooting things at long distances. This feature literally multiplies the magnification (and overall flexibility) of this lens over it's predecessors.
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Image Stabilization: Once again, it appears to be the best I have had opportunity ti use. It is fast to engage and quieter than any other IS system I have used, besting the 500mm f/4L IS, and 200mm f/2L IS handily. I was shooting @ f/16 to get 1/10th of a second shots hand held and was rewarded with dead on sharp images. This IS system will be a lifesaver. Clearly one of the best implementations available and LIGHT YEARS ahead of the 1st Generation IS that is installed in the older MkI 100-400mm.


Image Quality:
Well frankly again I am amazed. I have not had opportunity t use the new MkII 70-200mm, or the 70-300mm L, but I have seen images and heard a lot of good things. Clearly this lens is in that class of new "primelike" zooms. It is a significant improvement over the VI 100-400mm and any other zoom I have shot with other than ones costing much more.
http://jakehegnauer.ze​nfolio.com/p605089996/​e2ab3c07f (external link)

For the pixel junkies, here are some 100% crops and a link to what I have uploaded so far.
(NOTE: The un-cropped images I have uploaded were in camera small jpegs from the 1D4. The crops are taken from RAW files with everything zeros to default using Capture 1 v7)
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100% crop with detail of fur. This is ISO 200 f/5.6
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Portrait lens replacement? 135mm f/5.6
http://jakehegnauer.ze​nfolio.com/p605089996/​e3f2d416e (external link)


Handling:
It weighs a bit more than the VI, more along the lines of a 70-200mm, and certainly feels more "beefy" than the VI. The focus ring is smooth and placed for ease of access (too easy?, more on that later)
All the usual switches are there and within reach, with some additions over the previous model including additional IS modes.

Zoom Control: Well, this review had to have some detraction, and this is the biggest one. To those of you that have read my posts on this forum it may come as no surprise that the switch from the "one touch" push pull zoom of the VI to a rotating zoom mechanism is not going to go over well for me. Now the preference for rotating zoom vs. push pull is obviously a personal one. But preferences aside, it is also an impersonal fact that one touch zooming made the 100-400mm L IS VI the fastest lens available when it comes to accurately zooming to recompose. No rotating zoom can compete. And this where I question Canon's understanding of how THIS lens is used most. It is an action lens. And fast action is aided by the push pull zoom. Nearly (you'll see, wait for it) everything else about the changes made to upgrade this VII lens aid the action shooter. Speed all the way. The internals of the rotating zoom also = weight. This lens is heavier specifically because of this switch. Is it too heavy? No I will manage easily but again, I would have preferred the lighter weight of the VI.

And then there's that Tension Ring? I can just see the designers considering this feature. "Well the old one had it" And the old one needed it. It was a one touch "push pull" zoom. What on earth do we do with the tension ring on a twist zoom? The zoom ring as it is , is a bit on the stiff side when you open the box. I am sure it will soften up, in fact today I already was aware of it,. but I just can't see the need for this tension ring.
And as some others have mentioned, in it's current state of stiffness, I could not use it as a push pull in a way that was smooth enough to use.

Lens Collar: So what else is NOT an improvement for the intended use of this lens? The non removable lens collar. The things is very well designed. The removable foot as a concession works well, and as a built in part it rotates smooth as a dream in its built in collar just like the big primes. I like the idea and execution, but .. and here's that question for Canon re: intended use. "Just who do you think it going to use this new feature?"
On THIS lens it makes no sense. Give use the removable collar and 98% of us will put it in the box upon receipt of the lens and never use it again. This is a HAND HELD lens and is was in no urgent need to have an improved rotating collar, let alone one I can't just take off.

The Hood: It works like any other hood with the addition of the little window to allow you to adjust a rotating filter like a polarizer without having to remove the hod. Nice.

In Summary:

This is the new Must Have action zoom lens for all manner of subject matter. Wildlife and sports, anything that you do in the great outdoors that requires fast auto focus, good zoom range and 400mm max focal length. This is the new standard.
Superior image quality in a flexible zoom, that has some of the best Auto focus and IS ever installed in a lens.
Excellent compatibility and useability with a 1.4x T-Con makes it even more flexible.

Nice detail in the fur, etc.


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Dec 17, 2014 21:49 |  #33

Archibald wrote in post #17338774external link
I assume the site adjusts image size if necessary during upload. The orig was actually 1400 wide.

I'm viewing this on my phone now, will have a better look soon.

OK I guess it is OK now. Sounds good.I think it brought a little more detail out.


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Dec 17, 2014 22:10 |  #34

digital paradise wrote in post #17338762external link
The new thing here is the eyeglasses. Our max size used to be 1024 on the long side but I noticed your image was 1280. Is a larger size OK now with the new site? ....

We moved to 1280 on the long side back in May 2014 on the old software ;)

And yes, now the forum will take care of keeping things readable, thus the whole eyeglasses thing. There is still a hard limit somewhere both in size and MB, at which point the forum will speak firmly to you ;)


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Dec 17, 2014 22:18 |  #35

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17338808external link
We moved to 1280 on the long side back in May 2014 on the old software ;)

And yes, now the forum will take care of keeping things readable, thus the whole eyeglasses thing. There is still a hard limit somewhere both in size and MB, at which point the forum will speak firmly to you ;)

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Dec 17, 2014 22:20 |  #36

jeetsukumaran wrote in post #17338627external link
Hmm. Interesting. I just tried it again, and, while it is locked pretty solid at the tightest setting, at the loosest setting it definitely can be pushed and pulled without too much force. To give an idea of the force needed to push/pull, I originally discovered it by accident when trying to casually remove the hood without pressing the hood unlock and rotating first. No excessive or force anything, just a light tug.

At the loosest setting there is (as yet) no creep in either direction when the lens is resting vertical, but a sudden inertial change (e.g., holding the lens facing down, moving it down at a moderate speed, and then suddenly stopping the movement) does cause the lens to extend just a little. At the tightest tension, there is no movement whatsoever. And no push/pull either.

As far as the "day old" thing goes -- mine is older .... by a FULL day :) :) :)! I've hardly used it (rain, here too), so I don't think it is a wearing-in thing. But time will tell.

EDIT: Here is someone else with the same experience: http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/post/54937485external link .

So it is 2 for the "dual" mode an 2 for the "single" mode setting now. Would love to see more numbers from other folk to figure out if I am dealing with a feature or a bug!

My copy definitely doesn't pull (it's quite stiff even on the "smooth" setting). Still, I don't see what the fuss is all about. It takes barely a quarter turn to go between 100mm and 400mm.


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Dec 17, 2014 22:29 |  #37

digital paradise wrote in post #17338762 (external link)
The new thing here is the eyeglasses. Our max size used to be 1024 on the long side but I noticed your image was 1280. Is a larger size OK now with the new site? I have not real checked into it but I have been clicking on the glasses to view.

I hope don't mind that I ran it through my action as I was curios as you are because they are shipping mine tomorrow. I kept the crop size the same and just got rid of some outer stuff to stay within size.

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Checking it out on the desktop now. Yes, your version has more apparent sharpness and detail. The image I posted was only cropped and lightened and exported out of Lightroom with default sharpening.

Did you work your magic in Lightroom?


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Dec 17, 2014 22:29 |  #38

ISO 12233 samplesexternal link from the The Digital Picture Review. Is it just me, or do the corners of the DPR copy at 400mm seem markedly poorer than, e.g, the EF 400 f/5.6 or the EF 200-400, and, worse, they don't clean up even after stopping down?


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Dec 17, 2014 22:33 |  #39

Archibald wrote in post #17338741external link
Got the 100-400mm II this afternoon. Here is my duck shot. It is a fairly severe crop (about 33% of the frame horizontally).

Is it sharp?

7D2, 100-400mm II at 400, 1/320 at f/8, ISO 200, hand-held.

Nice shot. Seems slightly front focused, but the feather detail is still quite pleasing.


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Dec 17, 2014 22:35 |  #40

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... Still, I don't see what the fuss is all about. It takes barely a quarter turn to go between 100mm and 400mm.

It's simply a matter of how you intend to, and how you can use the two different zoom tools. Yes, the new lens extends on a pretty fast twist, but it's nothing like th edead positive instant from here to there you get with push pull, no zoom gives that tactile 'you are now here" feedback.

I can practice for years with a twist zoom, and it will never allow me to frame fast in flight action as quickly as the push pull did. this really is not a matter of taste, it's ts what it is. If you don't see the benefit, then frankly, you weren't using in a way that would show you the benefit. Maybe you never were in a position to need it. I've been shooting it since 2004, and only needed this instant framing change a handful of times. But when it happened, it was a life saver. Lots of the best tools are like that. Esoteric, take it out only every so often, but do it better than anything in a pinch. Like a low angle smoothing plane :)


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Checking it out on the desktop now. Yes, your version has more apparent sharpness and detail. The image I posted was only cropped and lightened and exported out of Lightroom with default sharpening.

Did you work your magic in Lightroom?

No. I use PS for my hobby shots. Lightroom for my mass edits. As far as LR goes are you using the masking slider in the Detail tab? Are you only sharpening in the Detail tab or are you sharpening for export in the export page as well?


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Dec 17, 2014 22:54 |  #42

In this series a flight of Frigate birds following our boat begin to squabble. The action became ridiculously fat, and the distances kept changing. I was zooming from 400 to 100 and everything in between to keep them frame and the max number of pixels on target to fill the frame. (this was back when a 10MP 1D3 was "high" MP)

TAKEN WITH 100-400mm MkI with Push Pull Zoom

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All the way out at 400mm,
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These last three they were also coming straight at us, so the whole time I was zooming out from the initial 360 mm or so in to an eventual 100mm where that was still to narrow for the action and the wings got clipped. Yes I would have ducked if I wasn't glued to the viewfinder..
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Did I get it all perfect, not by a long shot, but with the instant framing of push pull zoom I was able to get a much higher success rate than any twist zoom could offer. I am 100% convinced of this. I sold off my 70-200mm years ago because it was never as fast to respond with it's twist zoom, I simply never used it.

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Dec 17, 2014 23:09 |  #43

Holy crap - the IS on this lens is unFNbelievable! I could never hope to get anything this sharp with my (s)old 70-200 f/4 IS at 1/6 sec (handheld, EOS 70D, 400 mm, f9.0, ISO 200, flash, no cropping applied).

I'm thinking this lens' large weight and length may actually help reduce shake. But still... WOW!

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Dec 17, 2014 23:13 |  #44

digital paradise wrote in post #17338853external link
As far as LR goes are you using the masking slider in the Detail tab? Are you only sharpening in the Detail tab or are you sharpening for export in the export page as well?

I don't do sharpening in LR except I let LR do default sharpening on export. The reason I don't do sharpening under Detail is because I don't understand it.

About time I figured it out, I guess. (Tried a couple times before...)


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Dec 17, 2014 23:27 |  #45

Timphoto wrote in post #17338699external link
Thanks a lot Jake. :rolleyes: Before I read your review, I *had* myself talked out of buying the MK-II version of this lens.  :p

You and me both!
I love my v1 .. It's like an old friend.
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