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Feb 18, 2018 10:51 |  #7636

clipper_from_oz wrote in post #18566589 (external link)
Its that f8 your using that makes all the difference :)....That crop is unbelievably sharp! I actually think many 50-80% crops look better in POTN than the full shot because having to downsample these high density sensor images like 7dMk2 and 5dMk2 etc makes full images look terrible because of having so many pixels binned on the downsample to get to 1200. At least a crop isnt losing as much downsampled pixels as the main image . Maybe we should all just post crops for good IQ :) :)

BTW Ive also turned my MFA off...I did have it adjusted using my lens align but it infact seems better off than at the lens align adjusted points !

My issue is having to shoot handheld with the damn 5DSR 50 MP sensor showing heaps of camera shake when I crop. Thus I have to go up in iso after Ive set minimum shutter of 1/1000 sec and f5.6 Even with that setting Im regularly at iso 1200 or above. I jsut wish I could find some birds here that dont move hahahahah....I dream of higher apertures at night now its that bad:). Only alternative to this problem is either use a damn heavy tripod or get a bigger lens with a lower aperture like a eos 400mm f2.8 ...... And with a heavier lens I will probably need a damn tripod anyway so Im snookered either way ..although......

I just saw recently that a couple of companies had released a fully functioning ef-xF adapter that allows EOS lens to AF and auto aperture on Fujis bodies !.....And it was released last week and sold out on the spot. Ive got my name down for mnext batch. Cant wait to mount my 100-400mm on the midget mirrorless x=t20 I picked up inJapan recently That will mean a little camera with a 24mp xtrans sensor and great highlight and shadow recovery shooting at 14 frames per second through the 100-400!!. And even better the 400mm end will rate at 600+mm f5.6...

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I kinda expect every image to be sharp and clean... or I walk around kicking and pouting like a small child. lol I will stop down most times to burn off some of the white not for sharpness really. I think my lens is as sharp at 4.5 as it is at f8.. but with the extender f8 is where you must be at full zoom


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Feb 18, 2018 11:01 |  #7637

sploo wrote in post #18566682 (external link)
It could be right it could be wrong (off just means no correction being applied). The issue is the difference between the length of the path between the lens and AF sensor (via the mirror) vs the length of the path between the lens and imaging sensor. Basically the camera is hitting focus on the AF sensor, and any tiny difference in path length means the projected image won't be focused on the imaging sensor.

The pain is that AF isn't 100% repeatable; each "lock" is effectively a bit of a scatter-gun approach, where some may be in front or behind "perfect". If the centre of that shot grouping is perfect (accuracy), and the spread is pretty small (precision) then all will be well. The problem is that taking a single shot to work out the correct MFA value may be misleading, so you'd have to taken several at each MFA setting and compare.

It's why I like the DotTune method; hit perfect focus with Liveview (the AF "sensor" is the imaging plane), turn off AF, then go through the MFA values to find the middle of the best range. Sounds more complicated that it is really; perhaps a couple of minutes for a prime, twice that for a zoom.

There is an easier way (that takes money and time); send body and lens to Canon and ask them to hand tweak them to 0! At least in the UK there were happy to tweak a problematic Canon lens for me, and leave the body unchanged (as it wasn't too far off 0). If they'd tweaked the body I'd have had to MFA all my other lenses again.

All this is moot if you're lucky enough that the statistics gods have given you a lens+body combo that matches out of the box ;-)a

Honestly I'm one that believes the tolerances between peaces is the difference some have so much difficulty and some do not. I understand perfectly the MFA.. On my camera and lenses I'm lucky enough to not need to MFA with the way I shoot and the way they interact together. I guess Im satisfied with the results I'm getting so as the subject come up every few months I simply add that my MFA is so small I do not need to do so.

And your right AF is the number one thing for me in my photography .... Motion blur is #2 if not tied with #1, Thus the reason I shoot the way I do.

Your last sentence .....BINGO lol


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Feb 18, 2018 11:06 |  #7638

Pondrader wrote in post #18566717 (external link)
Honestly I'm one that believes the tolerances between peaces is the difference some have so much difficulty and some do not. I understand perfectly the MFA.. On my camera and lenses I'm lucky enough to not need to MFA with the way I shoot and the way they interact together. I guess Im satisfied with the results I'm getting so as the subject come up every few months I simply add that my MFA is so small I do not need to do so.

And your right AF is the number one thing for me in my photography .... Motion blur is #2 if not tied with #1, Thus the reason I shoot the way I do.

Your last sentence .....BINGO lol

Well, I can't argue with your results ;-)a

TBH The only two lenses I've ever had noticeable problems with were my 70-200II (I couldn't get it to behave reliably), but Canon UK confirmed there was a fault, and once tweaked it's been fine ever since.

The other one was the second copy of a Sigma 35A (first one - a rental - was fine), but to be fair, portrait depth of field at f/1.4 is pretty insignificant. A bit of playing with Sigma's lens dock sorted that.


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Feb 18, 2018 12:01 |  #7639

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Well, I can't argue with your results ;-)a

TBH The only two lenses I've ever had noticeable problems with were my 70-200II (I couldn't get it to behave reliably), but Canon UK confirmed there was a fault, and once tweaked it's been fine ever since.

The other one was the second copy of a Sigma 35A (first one - a rental - was fine), but to be fair, portrait depth of field at f/1.4 is pretty insignificant. A bit of playing with Sigma's lens dock sorted that.

I've kept things very simple. The AF variance between images is what makes me wonder about the newer cameras.. If their more consistent.. I dont know. Luckily I have all the fur and feather a guy could need to wear out a camera or two.


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Feb 18, 2018 14:11 |  #7640

clipper_from_oz wrote in post #18566587 (external link)
one from today ....I was lucky though with this as I dropped to 1/400th sec for a better iso and f6.3 . Normaly 1/ 400secs just too slow even with IS but this time I was borderline ok.
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Feb 19, 2018 07:14 |  #7642

Sibil wrote in post #18566600 (external link)
Very interesting. I will have to look into this, Any more info?

butterfly2937 wrote in post #18566616 (external link)
Will that adapter allow auto-focus? The only ones I have seen do not.


There are 2 companies releasing these adapters.

They have AF( also works with Fujis Phase AF) and auto aperture. I think the Fringer also works with Canons IS. The difference between the 2 adapters I think is one needs to change the aperture via a camera setting and the other has an aperture ring on the adapter

The fringer was sold out immediately on release and I have one on backorder so when I get it I will give a review. Im also wondering what happens if Fuji update firmware. Will the adapter people have to do firmware upgrades. Not sure on that however its worth a try at the cost

And now the Fuji H1 ( XT2 on steroids ) is out with 5 stop IBIS I want to hang the 100-400 off it and see what I can do. Would be amazing if it all works ok....But Im not going to hold my breath on it :)


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Feb 19, 2018 08:04 |  #7643

clipper_from_oz wrote in post #18567287 (external link)
There are 2 companies releasing these adapters.

They have AF( also works with Fujis Phase AF) and auto aperture. I think the Fringer also works with Canons IS. The difference between the 2 adapters I think is one needs to change the aperture via a camera setting and the other has an aperture ring on the adapter

The fringer was sold out immediately on release and I have one on backorder so when I get it I will give a review. Im also wondering what happens if Fuji update firmware. Will the adapter people have to do firmware upgrades. Not sure on that however its worth a try at the cost

And now the Fuji H1 ( XT2 on steroids ) is out with 5 stop IBIS I want to hang the 100-400 off it and see what I can do. Would be amazing if it all works ok....But Im not going to hold my breath on it :)

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Feb 19, 2018 11:42 |  #7644

Pondrader wrote in post #18566757 (external link)
The AF variance between images is what makes me wonder about the newer cameras.. If their more consistent.. I dont know.
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That's a really good question. I assume the modern DSLRs are vastly better than their predecessors, but in theory a mirrorless camera with a really fast AF system would be better because there's no inconsistency with a separate AF sensor. How the best mirrorless cameras compare these days (speed and tracking), I don't know.


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Feb 19, 2018 12:01 |  #7645

sploo wrote in post #18567455 (external link)
That's a really good question. I assume the modern DSLRs are vastly better than their predecessors, but in theory a mirrorless camera with a really fast AF system would be better because there's no inconsistency with a separate AF sensor. How the best mirrorless cameras compare these days (speed and tracking), I don't know.

I just had a 7RIII in may hands and I'm not sure the AF holds up. My buddy has now sold most of his Oly MkII's and has now the Sony 7RIII and the 100-400 so I will see. In the small amount of shooting I did with it I can say I'm not ready for the small viewfinder and looking at a screen.. No matter how good or advanced it is. It destroy's the way I shoot. all but imposable to see exactly where focus is in minute detail on faces and eyes. we will see. I can tell you the sensor is quite good..but is everything else rapped around it. cropping on the 7RIII is now a moot point. makes the 7DII look un-crop-able


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Feb 20, 2018 08:48 |  #7647

First daylight baseball game of the year that I could make, so I broke out the 100-400 II. It doesn't get the background separation that a 400 F/2.8 would get but it does pretty damn good.

Note: I was concentrating mainly on the pitchers this game.

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Feb 21, 2018 03:08 |  #7648

sploo wrote in post #18567455 (external link)
That's a really good question. I assume the modern DSLRs are vastly better than their predecessors, but in theory a mirrorless camera with a really fast AF system would be better because there's no inconsistency with a separate AF sensor. How the best mirrorless cameras compare these days (speed and tracking), I don't know.


well for what its worth my fuji xt-20 AF ability is not a patch on my 5dsr with the 100-400. Admittedly I have the xf55-200 f3.8-4.5 on the xt-20 which is a relatively slow Af lens in Fuji's lineup but that aside it just didnt even come close. The higher level Canon Nikon DSLR's AF still kill mirrorless in my book. But for sure the gap is closing and Im really keen to tryout the new Fuji H1 AF with fuji's 100-400f4-f5.6 . I think that will be a combo that will really close the gap with the big boys re AF capabilities such as speed of AF acquisition /lock , AF tracking and shutter lag


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Feb 21, 2018 13:27 |  #7649

The Greek Karting Championship starts this weekend !! Can't wait!!!


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