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Canon EOS 7D, reviewed by STIC

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STIC
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Dec 19, 2014 03:16 |  #1
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A bit redundant now the 7DII is out, but here goes...

I moved from a 40D to the 7D for two reasons, 1, to upgrade to a larger/newer sensor and for the 8fps as I was shooting a lot of motorsport. While the 8fps is great and works a treat, I find the overall performance of the camera a little lower spec than I would have liked. Images are a wee bit soft and the noise handling is abysmal above ISO400, and not very good even between 200-400.

In fact, the noise is so bad, I won't ever use it above ISO400 (and this, only if I really have to), most of the time my highest ISO is just 200...it simply isn't worth clicking the shutter above this level...

While some have said it's softness (in the images) could be a result of the glass i'm using, I used the same lenses (Canon 18-135 IS USM and 100-400L) on the 40D and they resulted in sharper images (at least to me, anyway), so most of my images need to get sharpened in PP.

Having said that, with the 100-400 on it, and the shutter switched to High speed (8fps), it is a phenomenal motorsport combo, provided you have some ability with PP...

Love to take the 8fps with me when I move to the 5DIII but there you go...


7D MarkII l 50 1.8 STM l15-85 IS USM l 100-400 IS L l 2x converter l 580EX II l Wireless remote l A computer l Some software l A vehicle to get me around...;)

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Dec 19, 2014 20:02 |  #2

i done the same, upgraded from the 40D to the 7D , you need to work a lot harder to get great results from the 7D as its a more powerful beast to control

i can quite happily shoot at 1250 with only a very insignificant amount of noise , a slight tweak of NR in post deals with that. and i know others here get remarkable results at higher ISOs than that .
actually ISO 200 has been claimed to be over noisy and its said 160.320,640...gets cleaner results as they are pushed exposures which is why exposing to the right will achieve better results


7D resource page
http://photography-on-the.net ...t=768556&highlight=​7D+FAQ
shooting at ISO 12800 take a look at those dog pics
http://photography-on-the.net ...ight=post+12%2C800&​page=6 http://photography-on-the.net ...ight=post+12%2C800&​page=6

shooting HAMSTTR
http://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?p=8​534003

those threads really helped me when i was struggling to get to grips with the 7D so many thanks indeed to the community here for the info




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Dec 21, 2014 02:47 |  #3
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Maybe I got a 'bad' one then...

Whatever the reason, with over 59000 shots taken on it so far, probably less than 100 were at a higher ISO than 100.


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Dec 21, 2014 03:07 |  #4

I agree with the above, this was taken at 1250 and very often use 1600. Not a brilliant image, but just a sample of the 7D at higher ISO.

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Dec 22, 2014 08:51 |  #5

So much for me being tempted to buy one... Sigh. The search continues.


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Dec 22, 2014 14:48 |  #6

P1et wrote in post #17345758external link
So much for me being tempted to buy one... Sigh. The search continues.

Wait six to eight months and go with a reconditioned 7D II when they become available. That is if you want the high fps wildlife/sports body. If you want better IQ go for a FF recon 6D now. All your Canon lenses will fit the 6D.

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Jan 06, 2015 06:52 |  #7

One of the things I have learned from reading reviews, is simply to try the camera myself. Try it for a week (rental) and see what happens for yourself.
The reviews are a good starting point, but not the final determination for me.


just a few of my thoughts...
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STIC
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Jan 14, 2015 01:54 |  #8
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killwilly wrote in post #17343985external link
I agree with the above, this was taken at 1250 and very often use 1600. Not a brilliant image, but just a sample of the 7D at higher ISO.

Not to be rude, but that image is pretty bad, noise wise.

As long as you have some ability with sharpening in PP and you're going to use it in reasonable daylight, a 7D is fine...but, straight from camera images are very soft and don't ever move the ISO above 100...


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Jan 14, 2015 07:14 |  #9

You either had a bad 7D, or underexposed your shots and brought them up after the fact. The 40D as compared to the 7D, in numerous tests where the comparison is done correctly (both identical settings and exposures and resizing the 40D up to the 7D resolution), will show that the 7D beats the 40D out by a full stop. Sharpness is based on your glass and any micro focus adjustments that need to be made.

Further fact, the 7D2 is less than a stop better than the 7D.

Direct out of camera comparisons of the 7D to the 5D3 for example, showing the nearly 2 stop advantage of the 5D3, but also showing something that doesn't seem to match your impressions or expectations of other cameras.

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-5D3/i-k4RzjFb/0/O/5d37dnoNR.jpg

Here is ISO 800 out of the 7D (right part), and it is certainly not horribly noisy at 100%, no NR or post processing beyond DPP's output from raw.

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-vs-5D3/i-sB6hrf3/0/O/5d37dISO800.jpg

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Jan 18, 2015 03:08 |  #10

Not so much a review as a slating. I'd like to see an example of a noisy ISO shot. I use mine at 800 as my standard setting whilst birding and almost never go below it...............


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Jan 26, 2015 12:04 |  #11
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TeamSpeed wrote in post #17381705 (external link)
You either had a bad 7D, or underexposed your shots and brought them up after the fact. The 40D as compared to the 7D, in numerous tests where the comparison is done correctly (both identical settings and exposures and resizing the 40D up to the 7D resolution), will show that the 7D beats the 40D out by a full stop. Sharpness is based on your glass and any micro focus adjustments that need to be made.

Further fact, the 7D2 is less than a stop better than the 7D.

Direct out of camera comparisons of the 7D to the 5D3 for example, showing the nearly 2 stop advantage of the 5D3, but also showing something that doesn't seem to match your impressions or expectations of other cameras.

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Here is ISO 800 out of the 7D (right part), and it is certainly not horribly noisy at 100%, no NR or post processing beyond DPP's output from raw.

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Clearly, your idea of acceptable noise and mine are miles apart...those images are terrible!


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Jan 27, 2015 10:08 |  #12

I purchased a 7D 2 years ago and yesterday, sent it back to the factory to see if I can get the focus issue resolved. No matter which lens I use, under what lighting conditions, time of day, servo mode, flash or not, I just cannot seem to get a shot that is in focus. There are forums all over the web about this issue and seems to be no consensus on what to do. In 2005, I purchased a 20D and 70-200MM f/2.8 and at that time, I was taking a lot of horse photos. With that combination, I could get a shot of a horse at 200' running toward me and in the finished product, could count the hairs on his nose. Since then, it has been a steady decline in quality. I eventually moved on to the 7D but no luck. Except for family events, I had put the camera stuff away for the past year or so but now that I have picked it up again, I am taking a look at the results which I do not like.

When I get the 7D back, I will update this post to let you know what I found out.




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Jan 27, 2015 19:47 as a reply to Magus007's post |  #13

simplest way to check for MFA issues with auto focus is to compare with live-view using manual focus , your lens might also needed to be calibrated too .
a common mistake it comparing a 8.2 MP to 18mp if you zoom in to 1:1 the 20d will always appear sharper due to the mismatch of viewing area .
the steady decline in quality is due to the amount of pixels you are trying to control lesser models were less demanding , you have to work a great deal harder with later generations due to them being more advanced and precise which is what we pay those extra bucks for




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Feb 09, 2015 07:32 as a reply to darkamble's post |  #14

Thanks for the feedback and well said. I got the 7D back from the factory last week and the report told me they did make adjustments to the AF and I did notice an immediate increase in quality when testing the camera. My Tamron 70-200 f/2.5 is due back this week so I will get back to work and see what the results are.




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Sep 17, 2015 18:53 |  #15

I just received my new used 7D to replace a 40D I sold. I hope to purchase another 7D in 2 days and sell my other 40D. Good thread for me today. I am going to test it out this weekend as I have a paid job to shoot the following weekend. Something i only do occasionally. I'm already impressed with the first 30 minutes of handling it, it should be an easy transition in shooting. A stop or 2 improvement over my 40 D's should be quite a help in my concert photography.

My FW is V 1.2.5, so i need to get that updated asap! :)


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