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Dec 29, 2014 07:07 |  #1

I'm in need of Tele zoom as I have some amazing trips planned this coming year! I will be shooting some wildlife and portraits. I have once owned the 70-200 f4 non is but I'm wanting something faster and with a form of IS. I have been out of the loop recently on the new and the 3rd party lenses which brings me to my question. My budget is around 1k, I would like X0-X00 ish but not limited to that. I would also like some form of stabilization, and would love it if it worked with a t-con but isn't a 100% needed. I know the 70-200 f/2.8 is II is amazing but I'm still on a budget, and I know the mk1 is still great IQ which is what I'm leaning towards but what other option are out there whether it's a sigma, tamron, or something else?

:edit- I will be using it on my 5DC and 1D III


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Dec 29, 2014 07:12 |  #2

Andy R wrote in post #17355518external link
I'm in need of Tele zoom as I have some amazing trips planned this coming year! I will be shooting some wildlife and portraits. I have once owned the 70-200 f4 non is but I'm wanting something faster and with a form of IS. I have been out of the loop recently on the new and the 3rd party lenses which brings me to my question. My budget is around 1k, I would like 70-X00 ish but not limited to that. I would also like some form of stabilization, and would love it if it worked with a t-con but isn't a 100% needed. I know the 70-200 f/2.8 is II is amazing but I'm still on a budget, and I know the mk1 is still great IQ which is what I'm leaning towards but what other option are out there whether it's a sigma, tamron, or something else?

:edit- I will be using it on my 5DC and 1D III

Heya,

Tamron 70-200 F2.8 VC

Hits all the points you need. The only alternatives are the 70-200 F4L IS and the 70-200 F2.8L IS (first one, not the latest MKII).

I'd get the Tamron though for the cost.

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Dec 29, 2014 07:14 |  #3

Aren't there some fast sigmas out there as well?


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Dec 29, 2014 12:31 |  #4

I may not know what your amazing destinations are, but you mentioned wildlife, and 200mm is not long enough for that, particularly on a FF camera. You need at least 300, something like Canon 70-300, or Tamron 70-300 VC. If wildlife includes birds, you need to go for 400mm, like Canon 100-400, Sigma 120-400, Sigma 150-500, or newer 150-600mm models from Sigma and Tamron.

But again, without knowing where you going, it may well be that the 70-200 variety from Canon, Sigma and Tamron will do.


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Dec 29, 2014 18:58 |  #5

you need to decide if you want a lens for portraits, or if you want a lens for wildlife...it'll be tough to find a lens that does both for $1,000


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Dec 29, 2014 19:11 |  #6

DreDaze wrote in post #17356520external link
you need to decide if you want a lens for portraits, or if you want a lens for wildlife...it'll be tough to find a lens that does both for $1,000

Yep. The Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 would be the closest, but even that's $1500, and for wildlife you'd still need to add a teleconverter. With a FF and 1.3X crop, it would still be too short in my opinion.

You've got a 28-75 which you can use for portraits. Get a 150-600 Tammy for wildlife (about $1065 I think).


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Dec 29, 2014 22:10 |  #7

Thanks for the feedback, for wild life what do you consider too slow? Is the sigma options or the tamron options too slow? The bigma or any of the options that reach into the 300 or 400+ range quick enough with enough IQ to be compared to the canon 100-400?


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Dec 30, 2014 04:19 |  #8

Andy R wrote in post #17356776external link
Thanks for the feedback, for wild life what do you consider too slow? Is the sigma options or the tamron options too slow? The bigma or any of the options that reach into the 300 or 400+ range quick enough with enough IQ to be compared to the canon 100-400?

Heya,

Depends on a few things.

If the focus is slow, then that's difficult to use for moving targets. So that can be an issue. Teleconverters often cause a big slow down in focus (but not always). Aperture is another issue, simply for light gathering. But you can consider ISO as well. F5.6 is fine for wildlife. That's not slow for a lot of wildlife. Is it slow for low light? Yes. But generally F5.6 is totally fine if it's sharp enough for you at that aperture. If you can get ISO up high and tolerate it, you can handle narrow apertures in wildlife no problem.

I use my 200 F2.8L prime with a 2.0x TC which makes it a 400mm F5.6. It's still fast enough for birds in flight, focusing very quickly still. So some combinations can be quick. Some slow down significantly. You just have to research it.

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Dec 30, 2014 11:19 |  #9

Ok thanks for the info, I have never really shot wildlife so that is good to know as I start my adventure trying. I found a what I think is a good deal on a 100-400 mkI- 950$... Anything anyone would suggest instead of that lens?


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Dec 30, 2014 11:31 as a reply to Andy R's post |  #10

You can find a used Sigma 120-400 for around $600 (I use this one and happy), Sigma 150-500 for a little more. The quality is similar, Canon is a little bit better, see http://www.the-digital-picture.com ...omp=0&FLIComp=7&API​Comp=2external link, but only you can decide if it is $300-$400 better.


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Dec 30, 2014 11:40 |  #11

Very cool tool, thanks for sharing! Do you have any insight on how the IS compares between the canon and the sigma? I thought I remember hearing the sigma had the edge between these lenses but I can't remember for certain?


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Dec 30, 2014 11:45 as a reply to Andy R's post |  #12

The IS on the 100-400 v1 is nothing special. Any of the newer superzooms from Sigma or Tamron will be better in that category. The Tamron 150-600 would likely suit you well for under $1100. It's not quite as fast focusing as the 100-400, but goes longer so you won't need a TC as much.


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Dec 30, 2014 12:04 as a reply to archer1960's post |  #13

Always a trade-off. The Canon 100-400 is of fairly old design, 2006 I believe. As far as I remember, the IS is rated at 1.5 - 2 stops (but I may be mistaken, you better do your own search). The Sigmas are newer, with better stabilization. But again, the IQ of the Canon is better than the others. At the same time, the OS in my Sigma died this past summer and I had to pay $300 to have Sigma fix it. Is it a norm or is it an occasional occurrence? I do not know.

At the going prices for the 100-400 v1 now I am tempted to get it to replace my Sigma 120-400, but it is the IS/OS performance difference that is still holding me back.


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Dec 30, 2014 16:51 |  #14

Lbsimon wrote in post #17357566external link
Always a trade-off. The Canon 100-400 is of fairly old design, 2006 I believe.

Try 1998.
http://www.canon.com ...100~400_45~56lis_us​m.htmlexternal link


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Dec 30, 2014 17:05 as a reply to Andy R's post |  #15

you don't really need a fast aperture for shooting wildlife...you need reach, with the ISO capabilities of todays cameras you can easily shoot at f5.6-f8, and have a fast enough shutter speed...

the 100-400L is a good lens, but i wouldn't pay $950 for a used one...there are a bunch flooding the market right now, and imo the value is below that


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