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Mar 24, 2016 14:24 as a reply to post 17947092 |  #16

Thank you! I honestly wanted to try a gyro stabilizer until I looked up the prices! $3K for the one another photographer recommended! Decided I would try without one!


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Mar 25, 2016 22:29 |  #17

Still working toward going into business. Took pics of two more planes and if the weather holds up tomorrow I'll get two more.

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Mar 25, 2016 22:49 |  #18

NICE work!


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Mar 26, 2016 00:24 |  #19

Flynlow wrote in post #17947108 (external link)
....I honestly wanted to try a gyro stabilizer until I looked up the prices! $3K for the one another photographer recommended! Decided I would try without one!

If you are seriously considering aerial photography as a business, you’ll also be doing air-to-ground work. Most of my clients needed pictures of their established businesses, or prospective business sites, etc. Most clients needed these taken at solar noon to minimize shadows, and of course they needed them “yesterday”. Which means you’ll need to fly in turbulence and weather.

So as a business, you must consider something like the Kenyon gyro. I have one, and find it an improvement on anything other than a very calm day. Plus it allows me to do air-to-air with longer lenses (near 200mm). But my gyro setup is heavy and clumsy, and to get maximum usefulness I need to suspend it from a bungee arrangement to lessen the effects of turbulence. Sometimes I think it takes longer to set it up than to take the pics.

Still, you can do nice work on air-to-air if you can afford to wait for a very calm period when the sun is very low in the sky (very early AM or late PM) and use shorter lenses (like most of your shots with the sun fully lighting the pilot). I’ve also done some artistic air-to-ground work with wide lenses when the sun was just breaking over the horizon, give extreme shadowing on the ground.


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Mar 26, 2016 07:18 as a reply to seres's post |  #20

It's only a side business and only air-to-air unless someone wants to pay enough! I have a full-time job, so this is only going to be in the afternoons after work, or early morning or late afternoons on the weekends. Some of my shots are from my own plane with me flying, but I prefer to have a friend fly me in his Cessna 210, which costs around $200/hour to operate, so unless someone really wants us to do a remote shoot, we'll just be taking shots of the locals!

I may consider a gyro at some point, but don't want to spend the money right now. I've been in photos planes with some of the greats and I find about 50% of them use a gyro.

I'm shooting solely with my 70-200 lens for now. It allows me to pull them in or keep them at a distance depending on how good their formation skills are.

I've also done a lot of magazine work over the years. For those, I agree that getting some very long shadows can make for a very cool photo.


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Mar 26, 2016 15:05 |  #21

Flynlow wrote in post #17948945 (external link)
Still working toward going into business. Took pics of two more planes and if the weather holds up tomorrow I'll get two more.

Nice shots. JOOC, aside from all of the photography stuff, air-to-air involves formation flying? How to you work with those pilots with no formation experience? I have none, but I understand there are procedured for forming up, "lost contact" where one pilot loses sight of the other plane, and breaking formation.

Do you brief before flight, or tell the other pilot to fly a heading of XXX, and your pilot handles keeping the other plane in sight, and maneuvering so you get the shots? I suppose you tell then to change heading as needed as well.


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Mar 26, 2016 18:35 as a reply to Capn Jack's post |  #22

Yep we brief on the ground. Once in the air the photoship pilot gets his instructions from me. I give them a general heading, then adjust until I see the sunlight I want. He relays any changes to the plane being photographed. Move forward a little, come a little closer in to us, drop 100', etc. If at any time either plane feels uncomfortable, the command is "Break, break, break." We go up and left, they go down and right. We had this happen on the 175 flight. The plane being photographed lost radio and did exactly what I had told him. I was taking pics on minute and the next he was pulling away.


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Mar 27, 2016 00:51 |  #23

OH my word...... The Mustang shot is awesome! The others are also excellent as well.




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Apr 05, 2016 07:20 |  #24

Spent the weekend with a friend of mine and his new Christen Eagle. Sure loving this!


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Also got my website up and running. I've got to go to AZ this weekend to pickup a plane and bring it back to TX. After that, I think I'm ready to go into business. http://www.airpixtx.co​m/ (external link)

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Apr 05, 2016 07:26 |  #25

^ ^ Very nice stuff!


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Apr 05, 2016 08:54 as a reply to PhotosGuy's post |  #26

Thanks!


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Apr 06, 2016 20:26 |  #27

Watching a ball game...


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Apr 07, 2016 18:10 |  #28

Does it count as air-to-air if it's a vulture? Maybe the balloon in the background counts.


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May 13, 2016 20:55 |  #29

Got a few more. Loving every minute of this!


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May 13, 2016 21:00 |  #30

Good that you're enjoying, because you're killing it with these shots! :) Great combo


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