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Jun 13, 2016 11:10 |  #46

And something a little bigger..............

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Jun 13, 2016 12:25 |  #47

Nice work, thanks!


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Jun 13, 2016 12:30 as a reply to JWilson7's post |  #48

On the subject of gyro stabilizers, I was on the fence for a long time, but they are an indispensable tool for anyone seriously interested in air to air, or air to ground work. I own a Kenyon 4x4, 6x6, and an 8x8. Obviously several of the gentleman here have a great feel for shooting air to air, full discs are not an easy thing to capture even in relatively smooth air and you guys are nailing them. Typically I shoot propeller driven aircraft at 1/60th or slower. Unless you have a pretty fast platform, like a B25, most warbird subjects are going to be loafing in formation with you resulting in slow turning big props. That requires shutter speeds from an 80th on down to get a big distinct disc, and that's no small feat for most shooters, given that you are shooting a moving subject from a moving subject. The lower and more wonderful the light gets, the more a stabilizer helps you as well. Sure, you can get away with not having one, but a good Kenyon unit bolted to your camera will improve a photographer's "keeper" ratio considerably, and the more challenging the conditions, the more that will be true. I love Kenyon product so much that I've become a dealer for them.

Still photography is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can shoot video that is worth viewing without stabilization is just kidding themselves. That's why you see air to air videos being edited with a series of very short clips, it's not necessarily to add a feel of excitement, it's because the videographer doesn't have a stable clip that's longer than a few seconds. Stabilization is one of those things that we trick ourselves into thinking we don't need, but once you incorporate it into your workflow, the difference, and the advantage becomes really obvious.


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Jun 13, 2016 12:48 as a reply to JWilson7's post |  #49

Thank you Frank! Great thread you thought up. Much of my shooting is done from a WWII B25 with the tailcone removed, but I use a Beech A36, or a Baron as well. The B25 is my preferred platform, of course, but cost and logistics enter into the picture on some assignments so the other platforms need to be used. Here's an example of non-full discs. The air was choppy and the light was getting low so I ramped up to 1/80th, just for insurance. 1/60th might have gotten it done.

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Jun 13, 2016 13:13 |  #50

And sometimes everything aligns and you can shoot handheld/no gyro at 1/25th. But don't count on that! :)

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Jun 13, 2016 13:16 |  #51

JWilson7 wrote in post #18038102 (external link)
Thank you Frank! Great thread you thought up. Much of my shooting is done from a WWII B25 with the tailcone removed, but I use a Beech A36, or a Baron as well. The B25 is my preferred platform, of course, but cost and logistics enter into the picture on some assignments so the other platforms need to be used. Here's an example of non-full discs. The air was choppy and the light was getting low so I ramped up to 1/80th, just for insurance. 1/60th might have gotten it done.
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In my book, there's nothing "wrong" with that image. As long as somebody tries for some blur & doesn't freeze the props, I have no problem with a partial blur. Then there's...

Still photography is one thing, but anyone who thinks they can shoot video that is worth viewing without stabilization is just kidding themselves.

What I really hate is when they go with a fast shutter speed with video. How stupid does that look! ; D


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Jun 13, 2016 15:15 as a reply to PhotosGuy's post |  #52

I know, I cringe too, looks like a dead stick landing about to happen :)


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Jun 13, 2016 15:20 |  #53

I have done most of my air to air work with 1D series Canon's over the years, mixed with D810's more recently. Just got my first 5DSR and I'm chomping at the bit to get up in the air at sunset with it. 50.6 MP on top of a cloud deck at sunset should produce something pretty spectacular.

Can we post Vimeo links on the site, will that work?


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Jun 13, 2016 18:45 |  #54

JWilson7 wrote in post #18038289 (external link)
Can we post Vimeo links on the site, will that work?

I don't know of any reason why you couldn't post a link.


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Jun 13, 2016 19:10 as a reply to PhotosGuy's post |  #55

Let's try it Frank! Here's a 4K film that I shot on one of my Sony Cinema cameras a couple of weeks ago. The stabilization system that I used is pretty neat and very effective. I added an 8x8 to it after this video just to make sure that I had any eventuality covered.


https://vimeo.com/1673​48144 (external link)


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Jun 13, 2016 19:19 |  #56

JWilson7 wrote in post #18038504 (external link)
Let's try it Frank! Here's a 4K film that I shot on one of my Sony Cinema cameras a couple of weeks ago. The stabilization system that I used is pretty neat and very effective. I added an 8x8 to it after this video just to make sure that I had any eventuality covered.


https://vimeo.com/1673​48144 (external link)

Nice work! Too bad that you didn't have better light for the Starships.


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Jun 13, 2016 20:21 as a reply to PhotosGuy's post |  #57

Yes, that was a bummer. We are organizing a four ship and that will be in perfect light. I think there are five left, but one is in Europe and he doesn't want to play.


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Jun 13, 2016 20:25 |  #58

Here's a quick shot of one of my stabilizing rigs, with a smaller Sony on board...........taken by my good Bud Glenn Watson.

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Jun 13, 2016 21:00 |  #59

The rig looks well made. Best of luck with it/them.


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Jun 13, 2016 21:35 as a reply to JWilson7's post |  #60

I've resisted the urge for a stabilizer, mostly due to cost. I shoot 1/80 on most shoots, and I've been playing with 1/60. I get shots I'm very happy with, but throw away more than a few. I need to get with your buddy Glenn since he's based at a neighboring airport. I would sure love to pick your brains on air-to-air!


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