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JM45ACP
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Apr 04, 2016 15:42 |  #1

Anybody who shoots high school track have any advice on shooting Hurdling settings,case # etc this will be my daughters first time running hurdles and I wanted to try to get some good shots. It's my first time using the 7D MK II and 100-400mmL combo for track I was shooting with a 7D and 70-300mmL last year.
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John


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Apr 04, 2016 16:12 |  #2

I use different equipment than you, a 1DX and 400/2.8 but here's my input. On a 1DX focus case 1 works fine with track. If you are only focusing on one participant your rig should have no problem keeping them in focus.

I like the head on shots for hurdles. stand beyond the finish line at the curve so that you can be off the track and stay on your daughter. I really like the intensity of these shots since you are looking them square in the face. There are normally a couple of frames each hurdle that work at 12fps. The closer they get the better but you should be good from 1/2 or 2/3 into the race to the end with your zoom.

IMAGE: http://www.palermini.com/Sports/Oxy/Track-Field/Oxy-Track-Multi-Dual-3-5-16/i-PZHLmfH/1/X2/BPDX5105-X2.jpg

The other angle is from the side. There is some risk because it is more difficult to follow them moving sideways and the runners in the lanes closer to you could block a good shot of your daughter. From the side you get two or three hurdles to get your shot.

IMAGE: http://www.palermini.com/Sports/Oxy/Track-Field/Oxy-Track-Multi-Dual-4-11-15/i-5LJFsTd/0/X2/BPDX7943-X2.jpg

In both cases having the camera a little lower than standing height is good.

There are also creative things you can try with slow shutter speeds, zooming during the exposure, etc. Hurdles happen fast so use every race to practice, even if your daughter is not in it.

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Apr 04, 2016 16:38 |  #3

Bob
Thanks for the info it's supposed to be nice and sunny on Wednesday but who knows it's snowing out right now. Case 1 was what I was going to leave it in so thanks for the confirmation on my choice I'm still getting used to the different cases. I'm guessing Ill want to shoot fast 1/2500 or faster and 10fps is my max aperture and ISO Ill have to see what the light is like.Would a mono pod with a gimbal head be in my way or should I just shoot handheld. Ill defiantly shoot all races to get practice in. Hurdles do seem to be the one event where you can get some real good shots.
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bpalermini
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Apr 04, 2016 20:21 |  #4

Yes, I like a faster shutter speed to really stop the action and yes, let your camera go as fast as it can. There will only be a frame or two that catches them at a good point going over the hurdle. I shoot 4 frame (+/-) bursts as they go over.

I use a monopod because my lens is heavy. You could use one or not. It's your choice. I would not mess with a gimbal head. You are pretty much staying still or panning and a monopod with no head works great for that.

Yes, hurdles are a great sport to photograph but there are other events that are good. I like high jump, pole vault, long jump and steeple chase. Running can be sort of boring but there can be some good facial expressions at the end of the short races.

Lots more TRACK PHOTOS HERE (external link).

Have fun and watch yourself as you move around. The track is always a area to be cautious but even the infield can be hazardous.


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Apr 04, 2016 20:28 |  #5

Thanks my daughter also does high jump, long jump, 200m and sometimes the 4x100m relay sometimes its hard to be at the right place at the right time.
I checked out your site lots of nice shots there.
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Apr 06, 2016 07:33 as a reply to JM45ACP's post |  #6

I agree with everything that has been said about hurdles. I think you're well-prepared, and after shooting a few practice heats you should have everything well dialed-in.

A couple passing thoughts you didn't really ask for:
1) Relay handoffs can be really fun. Lots of intense focus/facial expressions, and you can try panning and really capture the speed with which it all happens.
2) I have always shot long jump from past the end of the pit, with a 70-200, getting head-on shots. But I've seen guys crouched near the front corner of the pit with a 16-35, which I've tried with a 10-22 and gotten some cool results. May be worth playing with if you can get that close.

Happy shooting!




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Jul 07, 2016 00:49 as a reply to bpalermini's post |  #7

Bob, which monopod are you using with your 400 mm 2.8? Is that version II?




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Jul 07, 2016 01:21 |  #8

For the 7DII and 100-400II, I would not bother with a monopod; it's just another piece of gear to be porting around. Shoot Case 1, use Expansion AF and Servo drive assuming you're somewhere that has enough light, get your shutter up at 1/800 or so and turn IS to either Mode 3 or Off. I've noticed my IS taking a long time to settle in on the MkII, so shooting stuff happening that fast, I'd just turn it off.

That combo isn't very heavy and I've never found much use for additional support for any combo of the 40D/7D/7DII + 100-400 MkI/II unless shooting slow shutter speeds for some reason or the moon. And definitely check your lens for MFA beforehand.


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Jul 07, 2016 08:45 as a reply to Ambient Light Studios's post |  #9

Yes, I have a 400 vII. It is a truly great lens. I use it all the time.

I have an Induro CM34. I think they have a newer model than mine now but it has been great. I like twist locks. I find myself making small adjustments often to keep the viewfinder at eye level and to me the twist locks make that easier to do. I also have an aluminum Manfroto with the clip locks. it is ok but harder to micro-adjust quickly.


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Jan 15, 2018 21:52 |  #10

Relatively new member, mostly just reading to get information. Just moved up from a Rebel T3i to a used(new to me) 7D

My daughter is also a hurdler and wanting to get prepared for the upcoming track season in 2 months. I have 2 primary lenses, a 18-135 STM and a 70-300 USM. I will assume that I will want to use the larger lens for outdoor track.

How about settings? I did some cross country photos this fall with the 18-135 and primarily used shutter priority and left everything else on auto. I know the hurdle races are faster and will generally be coming head on, as opposed to side or quartering shots that I had during cross country. Still start with shutter priority? How about ISO settings as a starting point for outdoor T&F?

Thanks in advance.




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