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Apr 20, 2016 20:57 |  #1

So Im still fairly new to photography but Id like to think Im skilled enough and know all the basics of exposure,etc but am learning new things every time I shoot,and mainly focusing on composition. My question is what would be best to get when I want to move up to a full frame. Comparing the 6D and 5D3 is hard as I know there different classes of cameras. But I was looking at pricing and I could get a 6d refurb for 1100 or used around 900. The 5d3 used I saw was only about 500-700 difference from that. Would it be better to wait and save some extra money for the 5d3 and be able to grow into it or would the 6D be better option at first and after acclimating to decide where to go from there? Thanks for any help or replys.




  
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Apr 20, 2016 21:01 |  #2

What do you shoot?


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Apr 20, 2016 21:09 |  #3

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What do you shoot?

This.

It really depends on the user and the subject matter.


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Apr 20, 2016 22:03 |  #4

I shoot mostly landscape/ cityscape. Random things I find cool or that tell a story. Some macro mixed in. Not so many portraits but Im still finding new stuff and testing the waters exploring different things so I would like a versatile camera.




  
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Apr 20, 2016 22:16 |  #5

If your asking between the two bodies I'd suggest spending more and buy the 5d3. You'll be able to capture sports, flying birds, running kids and portraits. You can get nice usable images in low light at 12800/25600 ISO with fast prime lenses and even f/2.8 zooms depending on the lights.

With a 5d3 you can virtually shoot all sorts of situations since the AF speed is fast and accurate and low light performance if very good. Dual memory cards and 1/8000 max shutter speed is a huge bonus!! The 6d is a single card and 1/4000 max shutter speed body.

Both camera's are not known for AF video but otherwise if your shooting manual video on a gimbal or tripod you can get very good video. Not my camera I'd use of casual run/gun documentation.

Even though the 5d3 is aging the image quality will not disappoint for sports/birding/portait​s. You cannot say the same for a 6d.

I shoot with Micro 4/3, Fuji and Canon. When I need to deliver quality files and do not want to be surprised with the photo shoot situation or light conditions I'm confident in my Canon 5d3. I cannot say the same for my M43 or Fuji. Even the excellent Sony Mirrorless systems may not be ideal for dismal conditions where FAST tracking is required. A dlsr is still a preference for many professionals that require difficult tracking.

IF you buy a 6d you may wish for faster AF. With the 5d3 you'll be less worried about the functions and performance because it's already at a very high level.


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Apr 20, 2016 22:19 |  #6

jackstens wrote in post #17979116 (external link)
I shoot mostly landscape/ cityscape. Random things I find cool or that tell a story. Some macro mixed in. Not so many portraits but Im still finding new stuff and testing the waters exploring different things so I would like a versatile camera.

If you do not require fast action photography the 6d will be great. The noise reduction is better than the 5d3.

If you pair that with a 16-35L f/4IS you'll be blown away in the IQ of that UWA lens.

Even an old Sony A7r with high res would be killer but lenses are not cheap!

do more research....


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Apr 20, 2016 22:26 |  #7

jackstens wrote in post #17979116 (external link)
I shoot mostly landscape/ cityscape. Random things I find cool or that tell a story. Some macro mixed in. Not so many portraits but Im still finding new stuff and testing the waters exploring different things so I would like a versatile camera.

Sounds like the 6D plus an EG-S screen and some nice vintage glass is right up your alley ;) That or a Sony a7 body (which is the route I would recommend as a former 6D shooter).


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Apr 21, 2016 00:25 |  #8

AlanU wrote in post #17979140 (external link)
If your asking between the two bodies I'd suggest spending more and buy the 5d3. You'll be able to capture sports, flying birds, running kids and portraits. You can get nice usable images in low light at 12800/25600 ISO with fast prime lenses and even f/2.8 zooms depending on the lights.

As long as your not trying to shoot things that have erratic movements the 6D is fine. With what the OP listed that he likes to shoot there isnt any reason to get the 5d3. The 6D has generally been received as a camera that has better high iso than the 5d3.

With a 5d3 you can virtually shoot all sorts of situations since the AF speed is fast and accurate and low light performance if very good. Dual memory cards and 1/8000 max shutter speed is a huge bonus!! The 6d is a single card and 1/4000 max shutter speed body.

That really depends. For most people the 6D will prove to be just fine.

Even though the 5d3 is aging the image quality will not disappoint for sports/birding/portait​s. You cannot say the same for a 6d.

Im hoping your not trying to say that the 6d has worse image quality than the 5d3. Thats just plain wrong.

IF you buy a 6d you may wish for faster AF. With the 5d3 you'll be less worried about the functions and performance because it's already at a very high level.

This is true. The 5d3 af is very good and something the 6d falls behind in when needing to shoot erratic moving objects. This is the main difference an everyday user will find.


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Apr 21, 2016 00:26 |  #9

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17979144 (external link)
Sounds like the 6D plus an EG-S screen and some nice vintage glass is right up your alley ;) That or a Sony a7 body (which is the route I would recommend as a former 6D shooter).

Its really hard not to recommend sony right now.


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Apr 21, 2016 01:29 |  #10

elitejp wrote in post #17979235 (external link)
As long as your not trying to shoot things that have erratic movements the 6D is fine. With what the OP listed that he likes to shoot there isnt any reason to get the 5d3. The 6D has generally been received as a camera that has better high iso than the 5d3.

That really depends. For most people the 6D will prove to be just fine.

Im hoping your not trying to say that the 6d has worse image quality than the 5d3. Thats just plain wrong.

This is true. The 5d3 af is very good and something the 6d falls behind in when needing to shoot erratic moving objects. This is the main difference an everyday user will find.

The 5d3 certainly costs more but the difference might be worth it. At this moment in time the 5d3 will provide more future proof both in Fast AF tracking but also as the OP possibly has greater demand in the gear.

The 6d auto focus system is extremely primitive (just like my 5dmk2) with only one cross type focus point. If canon threw the old 40D 9 cross type focus point system that'd be a massive improvement but ......Canon DID NOT!!

The 5d3 would provide more safety margin against upgrading for a much longer period of time vs the 6d. A simple photo like documenting a child going down a slide the 5dmk3 would capture only 6fps but with a much higher rate of keepers vs a 6d/or 5dmk2.

I'm still rockin' my 5dmk2 because I can still have acceptable usable iso 5000 images for a backup camera. During easier light the 1/8000 is a nice to have for bright outdoor shooting getting away "not" using ND filters shooting wideopen. I just haven't gotten around buying another 5d3 to match my primary camera.

As far as Sony as concerned the f/2.8 zooms are just as pricey. The FE 24-70 f/2.8 is $2200 USD vs the Canon 24-70Lmk2 f/2.8 at $1750 USD. The smaller A7 series is great but it's going to be a beast as you mount a sony f/2.8 zoom. In fact the Sony would be longer in length vs a canon with same focal length Canon 24-70Lmk2 mounted on a 5d3. Do I want a sony? yes!! I'm waiting for the more faster prime lenses. I just rather use native glass vs buying a metabone adapter.

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Apr 21, 2016 03:03 |  #11

Oh I agree. There really isn't much good to say about canon putting that af system in the 6d. But for stills it is a good camera. And if you don't need it then you can save a bit of money with the 6d.


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Apr 21, 2016 07:15 |  #12

jackstens wrote in post #17979116 (external link)
I shoot mostly landscape/ cityscape. Random things I find cool or that tell a story. Some macro mixed in. Not so many portraits but Im still finding new stuff and testing the waters exploring different things so I would like a versatile camera.

Being both a 6D user and a 5D3 user . . . what would have pushed me to recommend the 6D to you aren't things you've mentioned: low light and astrophotography. I think low light and astro are the only places where the 6D has a pronounced edge over the 5D3 due to lower noise levels at higher ISO.

I've used my 6D for every almost type of photography imaginable. I've even used it to shoot indoor ice hockey with good results (centre AF point). That said, I found it a frustrating experience and I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than occasional low light sports use.

At this point, my manual focus lenses live on my 6D. I use my 6D for astro, lowlight, and landscapes. The built-in wifi and GPS on the 6D are a real boon to astro and landscapes, IMO.

The 6D is basically a single focus point camera: the centre point. The other points will leave you frustrated and with OOF photos often. Forget those points exist. The centre point is amazing, and will focus in really dark conditions. Focussing and recomposing or cropping in post are things you'd probably wind up doing a lot of.

The 5D3 is just an all around great camera. The focus system is phenomenal. The downside? It is a big and heavy beast: especially when gripped.

Unless you want something lightweight, I would recommend the 5D3. It is definitely the most versatile of the two and has great capabilities.


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Apr 21, 2016 07:52 |  #13

I was asking the same question when trying to decide on my first full frame. Selected the 6D and never looked back. Does everything I need it to do. I don't shoot sports, so I don't feel I'm missing anything. Rent both, if you can. That will help you decide. The autofocus on the 6D is far from primitive, as stated by one member. If your main subject matter is sports, well, then it might be lacking. but for anything else, it works wonderfully. Try it, you'll like it.




  
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Apr 21, 2016 08:01 |  #14

For what you shoot I'd definitely say go for the 6D and spend the balance on glass. I love my 6D and it works wonderfully for landscape and cityscape and excels at night. Use it and figure out its limitations before investing in something with more capabilities. By that time the 5D4 and 6D2 will be out and you'll have lots more choices. You will not be disappointed in the 6D.


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Apr 21, 2016 08:19 |  #15

If you can wing it, get a 5D3. Since you're just exploring, you may turn out liking some action, where the 5D3 would excel.


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