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wallstreetoneil
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Jun 05, 2017 16:35 |  #3781

fordmondeo wrote in post #18371348 (external link)
Hello.

I'm about to buy a 1dx mk2 and I have a question.
What max ISO do owners feel comfortable with?

I'm taking a trip to the Mach Loop next week and really don't want to go home with a couple of thousand newspaper print quality images.

I understand settings will vary depending on circumstance but I can't believe 490k could be considered useable.

I started reading all the comments on this thread to find an answer but there are so many pages I gave up.

My thanks in advance.

Here are two 51,600 ISO 1DXii images
- the first one is a rubbery looking in-camera jpeg with medium NR and the 2nd is a RAW file that I spent 3 minutes on (notice the detail difference)
- i mention this fact because if you are willing to spend the time with an individual raw file, and NOT turn the jpeg file to mush by throwing FULL automatic jpeg NR at it, you can absolutely do one full stop better than Canon's jpeg engine


My personal answer in terms of acceptable ISO is:
- lower is always better but no one paying your bill will ever notice the difference ISO 100 and 400
- Experts notice the difference between 400 and 800
- knowledgeable pixel peepers will pick up the differences between 800 vs 3200 everytime but with good NR, your mother won't have any idea
- given the rule of doublings, or halvings of light, 3200 iso, no matter the sensor or the jpeg / post processing magic, is the last ISO where the color is sort of holding it together - but if you asked a Commercial Photog doing $50k work for a magazine they would puke at the suggestion that 3200 iso is useable - but your mother will never say that a 3200 ISO image isn't excellent

My auto ISO answer is 25,600 for most things but 51,200 if you are willing to spend the time in PP. If you really want to know my real answer, I never like to go above 3200 ISO because the colour is never the same.


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51,200 RAW with PP NR

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Jun 05, 2017 16:53 |  #3782

fordmondeo wrote in post #18371437 (external link)
I have to say that is quite impressive.

It appears better than my 6D and in a different league to my 7Dii although I don't have scooter to do direct comparisons.;-)a
Do you prefer lightroom for raw processing over canon dpp?


Thank you.

Short answer: I'd expect you'd see a solid 1 stop high ISO improvement vs your 6D.

Long answer:

My perspective: 7D (mark 1), 60D, 80D, 5D3 and 5D4.

The full frame sensors should have about 1 stop of high ISO noise advantage over APS-C, due to the fact they have over twice the surface area.

The more recent Canon sensors (probably starting around the 7Dii) have much better noise character - so even if they were not quantitatively better, qualitatively the noise is less objectionable.

For me, the 7D (mark 1) and 60D were good at 1600, just about ok with a decent exposure at 3200, and ISO 6400 was a last resort. In comparison, I'd judge the 80D as nearly 1 stop better (for my personal taste).

It's the same story with the 5D3 vs the 5D4. ISO 3200 was fine on the 5D3, with 6400 being OK. 12800 was usable, but pushing your luck. For me, the 5D4 is (for practical purposes) 1 stop better, and even ISO 25600 is usable.

I have prints from the 5D3 at ISO 25600, but the gap between the 5D3 and 5D4 at this setting is quite remarkable. From what I've seen, the 5D4 is closer to the 1Dx2 than the 5D3.


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Jun 05, 2017 17:38 |  #3783

Wedding season is in full force for me

This new 1Dx2 makes my Job easy. The sensor is spectacular for highlight and shadow retention

Off camera flash and you get straight off camera images like this. A little topaz in the sky and ship it

Best camera I have ever touched

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Jun 05, 2017 19:30 |  #3784

apersson850 wrote in post #18371259 (external link)
Interesting that the data says you used the EF 24 mm f/1.4L II USM set at 85 mm.


its the Sigma 85 Art. not sure why it does it on here..shows up right on flikr


Sony A9 / Sony A7RII / Canon EF 200mm F2 IS / Sony 70-200mm F2.8 G Master / Sony 24-70mm F2.8 G Master / Sony 85mm 1.4 G Master / Sony 50mm 1.8 =)

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Jun 06, 2017 02:43 |  #3785

umphotography wrote in post #18371810 (external link)
This new 1Dx2 makes my Job easy. The sensor is spectacular for highlight and shadow retention
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Remember: shadow retention is the camera. Highlight retention (well, preservation) is your finger.

I like the resulting photo :-)


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Jun 06, 2017 09:50 |  #3786

umphotography wrote in post #18371810 (external link)
Best camera I have ever touched


Maybe you need a Sony? :-P


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Jun 06, 2017 10:20 as a reply to umphotography's post |  #3787

Very nice! You used just one off-camera flash? Which one and where did you place it?


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Jun 06, 2017 10:26 |  #3788

Chet wrote in post #18372269 (external link)
Maybe you need a Sony? :-P

They aren't as hot (vmadvmadvmad) today as they were yesterday (sony just released a firmware upgrade to turn off the Camera Running Hot symbol on their latest greatest A9). I think we just found out why putting a large battery in a small, unvented, metal box, and running hot, can cause issues.


Hockey and wedding photographer. Favourite camera / lens combos: a 1DX II with a Tamron 45 1.8 VC, an A7Rii with a Canon 24-70F2.8L II, and a 5DSR with a Tamron 85 1.8 VC. Every lens I own I strongly recommend [Canon (35Lii, 100L Macro, 24-70F2.8ii, 70-200F2.8ii, 100-400Lii), Tamron (45 1.8, 85 1.8), Sigma 24-105]. If there are better lenses out there let me know because I haven't found them.

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Jun 06, 2017 14:00 |  #3789

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #18372291 (external link)
They aren't as hot (vmadvmadvmad) today as they were yesterday (sony just released a firmware upgrade to turn off the Camera Running Hot symbol on their latest greatest A9). I think we just found out why putting a large battery in a small, unvented, metal box, and running hot, can cause issues.

But Jason Lanier's Sony cameras never ever ever ever overheats. Never. :lol:

I have no horse in the race so I find this all very amusing.


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Jun 06, 2017 15:28 |  #3790

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Jun 06, 2017 21:52 |  #3791

Chet wrote in post #18372269 (external link)
Maybe you need a Sony? :-P


Why would I want to DOWNGRADE  :p


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Jun 06, 2017 22:07 |  #3792

umphotography wrote in post #18372763 (external link)
Why would I want to DOWNGRADE  :p


I figured you would run off and sell your pride and joy for a bottom basement price. Boy was I mistaken.


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Jun 06, 2017 23:16 |  #3793

Wow no love for Sony in this thread!
For fun today I shot with my oldest Canon tech lens, the 28-300L today on an A7Rii and had a blast with it. I
was really surprised at how well it focus via the MBiv.
I do think amateurs like me can enjoy the brand wars more than the pros...and most in this thread are making
a living via photography.
I think I will add an a9 in the near future IF the FE 100-400 WITH 1.4TC can perform as well as the gold standard
EOS 100-400ii + 1.4TCiii.......those reports are what I'm waiting on.

If and when I leave Canon it won't be because of features/IQ/DR/etc. Just weight. Sony will eventually be an intermediary
between Canon and mFT. Sucks to get old :(


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Jun 07, 2017 07:54 |  #3794

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18372839 (external link)
Wow no love for Sony in this thread!

A large portion of 1DXII users are going to be sport and wildlife photographers. Big, fast superteles kind of go with the territory and Sony has exactly 0 of those in a native mount for the A9. The specs for the A9 sound great, but from what I've seen they kind of fall apart once you try to put on a non-native lens with an adapter.

On top of that, even if Sony comes out with 400/2.8, 500/4, and 600/4 E-mount lenses this year I think it's unlikely to sway many people given the ridiculous price of their lenses. Their 500mm f4 A-mount is heavier than the Canon (even though it lacks IS), and it has inferior MFD, but Sony has the nerve to sell it for $4,000 more? They must be high. I thought all the Sony/mirrorless fanboys kept telling us that cheaper lighter lenses was one reason body stabilization was so much better? How's that working out? At least the 100-400 stacks up better spec wise (and even has IS!), but they still want $500 more than the Canon. I don't care how good their bodies are, glass is far more important for what I shoot, and Sony brings nothing to the table in that regard.




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Jun 07, 2017 08:15 |  #3795

Chet wrote in post #18372779 (external link)
I figured you would run off and sell your pride and joy for a bottom basement price. Boy was I mistaken.


LMAO

Honestly. I cant get past the sony menus and ergos of the camera. Servo on the sony is just about useless ( but that is probably inexperience with their systems ), battery life is ridiculously poor on the sonys and I dod not want to go out and buy a set up adapters to make all my L glasss work on the mounting systems.

Now that Canon has caught up with sensor technology, I see little reason for me or others to consider (other than size and weight) a Sony.....Yup I have investigated the Sony line up......Not for me

Extremely happy with the 1Dx2. does anything i need to to do and then some

But glad you are happy with the sony set ups


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