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May 17, 2016 15:08 |  #1

Upon viewing RAW photos for the first time after import, Lightroom displays a picture for about a half-second and then it changes. Is that the embedded JPG that is displayed? There are times I like the skin tones (or some other colors) better in that first peek but I can't ever seem to get the photo back to that state.

Unfortunately once I view the photo I can't ever see that quick preview again so I can't really compare it to anything.

Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

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May 17, 2016 15:14 |  #2

Yes, it is the embedded JPG that you're seeing. I believe there are apps that'll extract the JPG from the RAW but don't know of any off the top of my head.


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May 17, 2016 15:17 as a reply to  @ DGStinner's post |  #3

Thanks. So that would be the same thing you see on your camera's LCD, right?

As long as you're shooting RAW and not RAW+JPG.


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May 17, 2016 15:20 as a reply to  @ scobols's post |  #4

Yes, it's the same image you see on the back of the camera.


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May 17, 2016 15:46 |  #5

DGStinner wrote in post #18010305 (external link)
Yes, it's the same image you see on the back of the camera.

But it could look different when glimpsed in LR (color managed application, maybe calibrated monitor, etc) than it does on the camera lcd. At any rate, here's a good free app for extracting it:
http://michaeltapesdes​ign.com/instant-jpeg-from-raw.html (external link)

Also, using Canon's DPP to convert the Raw will reproduce it as a jpg or tiff.


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May 18, 2016 03:17 |  #6

tzalman wrote in post #18010332 (external link)
But it could look different when glimpsed in LR (color managed application, maybe calibrated monitor, etc) than it does on the camera lcd. At any rate, here's a good free app for extracting it:
http://michaeltapesdes​ign.com/instant-jpeg-from-raw.html (external link)

Also, using Canon's DPP to convert the Raw will reproduce it as a jpg or tiff.

I want to quote/bold this because it's actually a very valuable asset that we have as Canon users, although it can be easy to ignore or to be totally unaware of!

DPP has the unique ability to open a RAW file and render it using the in-camera settings by default. So, if your camera is set to a particular Picture Style, DPP will use that Picture Style to render a RAW file accordingly. You can, in DPP, also change the Picture Style as well as other settings at will! This functionality can give some valuable insight as to working with our RAW files with what the Camera would produce as a Jpeg as a reference, and, for users of DPP or Lightroom or another non-Canon RAW app, that insight can help you to tweak your RAW converter settings accordingly, and then to go farther, tweaking that RAW data to actually surpass what the Jpeg would have become!

I do encourage people who are new to RAW processing, or who have similar questions, to install the DPP software that came with your camera (or get it online) and spend time exploring! It can help you to get a "fresh" handle on your RAW processing!!


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May 18, 2016 07:00 |  #7

Thank you tzalman for the link!

Thank you Tony for the info. You're right on the money. I have DPP installed but never think to use it. I typically convert to DNG when I import into LR but next time I will leave them as CR2's and play with them in DPP as well.

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May 18, 2016 07:16 |  #8

I shoot RAW because I don't like the processing the camera does and much prefer my personal spin on the data, not the cameras. I've never used DPP or other manufacturers RAW convertors and process my own.

I'd lean the other way, don't compare to what the Camera displays, learn to edit the RAW to it's full advantage.


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May 18, 2016 07:42 |  #9

Most raw files have a JPEG embedded within them, many cameras embed full resolution JPEGs. You can extract the embedded JPEG, which will reflect the Picture Style and color space settings entered in your camera at the time of shooting, by using dcraw on a directory of images.

http://www.cybercom.ne​t/~dcoffin/dcraw/ (external link)

dcraw is a command line utility, but do not let that deter you. Once you are in the directory with the image files, type the following at the command line prompt:


dcraw -e *.CR2

This assumes that the raw files have the extension "CR2" - change that to whatever the extension is for your raw files. Here you are simply saying "hey dcraw, extract the JPEGs (the "-e" flag on the command line) of ALL of the CR2 files (*.CR2, where the "*" is a wildcard for "anything" that is then followed by ".CR2") in this directory.

dcraw will chug through the directory and produce the JPEGs next to the raw files.

If you take some time to learn how to produce a script, or a macro, or command that embeds this invocation of dcraw (i.e., some automated task in your OS), you may be able to automate the process even further by being able to drag the directory of files onto the script icon, etc. to invoke the process. This is probably what is under the hood of the Michael Tapes application and, by using dcraw, you do not need to give the Michael Tapes borg your personal marketing information. Plus you can learn something about taking control of your workflow!

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May 29, 2016 11:18 |  #10

I've found the easiest thing for it is to scroll to the bottom of the edit panel and try a couple of the camera presets down there; normally Camera Standard or Camera Faithful will do it, other times Landscape or Portrait will get a better result.


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May 29, 2016 12:26 |  #11

scobols wrote in post #18010296 (external link)
Upon viewing RAW photos for the first time after import, Lightroom displays a picture for about a half-second and then it changes. Is that the embedded JPG that is displayed? There are times I like the skin tones (or some other colors) better in that first peek but I can't ever seem to get the photo back to that state.

Unfortunately once I view the photo I can't ever see that quick preview again so I can't really compare it to anything.

Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

Scott


If you want to RAW file to look like the colors in the embedded jpeg, open the RAW file in Canon software, and the embedded jpeg profile as set up in your camera can be applied to the RAW file (in fact it automatically will be by default) Lightroom can not do this for you.

EDIR: Gah! I did not read down far enough.

To whit, WHAT THEY SAID! :)


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May 29, 2016 12:43 |  #12

I use both LR for editing however for pre-viewing and deleting I use DPP, Quick Check, Full Screen. I just hit X for all images to delete then Edit, Rating, Select Rejected Images Only and delete them. Then I import into LR.

It is faster than LR and there is something about DPP in how it renders images in this mode.


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May 29, 2016 16:20 |  #13

I use both LR for editing however for pre-viewing and deleting I use DPP, Quick Check, Full Screen. I just hit X for all images to delete then Edit, Rating, Select Rejected Images Only and delete them. Then I import into LR. It is faster than LR and there is something about DPP in how it renders images in this mode.

In Quick Check it doesn't "render" at all. It displays the embedded jpg that has already been rendered in the camera.


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May 29, 2016 16:38 |  #14

tzalman wrote in post #18022954 (external link)
In Quick Check it doesn't "render" at all. It displays the embedded jpg that has already been rendered in the camera.

You are correct. I should have just said it does a great job a displaying images.


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