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Are you planning to sell your 85mm 1.2 in antication of a new offering?

 
Masa ­ Yume
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May 31, 2016 20:23 |  #1

my 85mm Mk II is now 10 years old, and while it still does it's job just fine, I can just imagine the dropoff in resale value that's coming with the long rumored Sigma Art 85mm supposedly getting closer to production and the eventual Canon 85mm replacement whenever that shows up.

There's enough to love to make it's bulk and relatively slowness worth it. Well, if something newer comes out that provides the same stuff I love and fixes the annoyances, then I'll probably want it.

So are you selling yours off now before the announcement of a replacement in order to avoid a hit to the resale value?




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May 31, 2016 23:15 |  #2

I am thinking about upgrading my 1.8 to the Tamron VC version. Does that count? Seriously I don't think the Sigma 85/1.4 Art when released is going to drop the street value of the 1.2 II that much where I would drop it before the announcement leaving you with out it fall a while.


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Jun 01, 2016 05:21 |  #3

No.


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Jun 01, 2016 09:35 |  #4

No...beautiful lens. Sharp, great IQ, no need to get the Sigma.

Nothing wrong with the Canon and I don't understand this notion that just because Sigma is releasing an 85A, all the 85L II's are worthless or close to it.

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Jun 01, 2016 11:55 |  #5

Just due to sales volume, I think the only thing that would significantly drop the value of the 85 1.2 II is a new version III and even then, I would expect the II to hold its value quite well.


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Jun 01, 2016 20:41 |  #6

Just in the past 3 years I've seen the average price for the 85II go from 1600 used to 1300-1400 some as low as 1250. If canon replaced if you would see them In the 1000-1000 range pretty quick.

Sigma won't hurt the 85L at all.


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Jun 02, 2016 10:58 |  #7

Errrrrrrrrrm..........​. No.

Even if Canon did release a new, fast 85mm I don't think it would be f/1.2, more likely f/1.4. The 85mm f/1.2 along with the 50mm f/1.0 were designed to show that Canon had the technological expertise to make extremely fast autofocus lenses and the R & D costs were massive. It wouldn't be worth their while designing a new f/1.2 when the current one is so popular and frankly astonishing in its sharpness and rendering capabilities. The only difference between version I and II is the speed of the autofocus and the change from leaded glass to unleaded glass requiring an alteration of the coatings.

If they did bring out a f/1.4 you'll find the f/1.2 would probably go up in value much like the 50mm f/1.0 did, but not as much.


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Jun 02, 2016 11:07 |  #8

No! I was waiting for the sigma art but after i re-purchased the 85Lii when having the 50A, i've decided to keep it for a long time and let the 50A go. I just love the bokeh on the 85Lii. Sigma cant touch, period.


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Jun 02, 2016 14:53 |  #9

Sir_Loin wrote in post #18026849 (external link)
If they did bring out a f/1.4 you'll find the f/1.2 would probably go up in value much like the 50mm f/1.0 did, but not as much.

Yes, I think you are right. But only if a new 1.4 was meant to replace the 1.2. If they made a 1.4, but also kept making the 1.2, then I don't see how the addition of a 1.4 would increase the value of the 1.2.

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Jun 02, 2016 23:03 |  #10

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18027083 (external link)
Yes, I think you are right. But only if a new 1.4 was meant to replace the 1.2. If they made a 1.4, but also kept making the 1.2, then I don't see how the addition of a 1.4 would increase the value of the 1.2.

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Of course, if they had both a 1.2 and 1.4 available then the 1.2 wouldn't command a premium. If they discontinued the 1.2 that would be a different matter.


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Jun 03, 2016 22:18 |  #11

I wouldn't count on the Sigma version necessarily being better. Sigma lenses render fine for a lot of things, but for portraiture, Sigma lenses have a very harsh rendering that I don't find ideal.


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Jun 05, 2016 00:20 |  #12

my guess is that if (not really if, but when) Sigma releases an Art 85mm, it will render fine details better than the 85mm 1.2. This will be backed up by the ever so important and go-to ammunition of the internet argument, the MTF chart. This will then set off a furious series of arguments across the internet with each side trying to convince the other that either they should have upgraded when they had the chance or how the old 85mm 1.2 has better colors. Or something like that.


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Jun 05, 2016 00:21 |  #13

I have purchased the 85L recently and after using it for a month, frankly, I couldn't care less what SIgma or Canon will release in the future, for obvious reasons ;-)a
The images the 85L ii produces are stunning and I don't see any reason to ever get rid of it... :-)

A products worth to a customer is not based just on its market price, the 85L might be worth only 500$ sometime in the future but the images it produces be worth $3000 to a person!


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Jun 24, 2016 00:06 |  #14

No. Although I would consider selling it or giving it to family or having it as backup AFTER an 85 1.2 or 1.4 is announced with BD tech and autofocus like the 35L II. If a Sigma comes out, I doubt it will have any effect on the L series other than speed up a release of a 1.4 / 1.2 OTUS / BD. My 85LII focuses decidedly more precise (regardless of speed) than the Sigma Art 35 and 50 lenses, so go figure. Art 35 and 50 speeds in low-light slowed down to worse and hunted, so go figure why the L lenses still hold their value well even after replacement. My Sigma Art shots were sharp when in focus, but not so much when out. Test charts be da*(ed. Also bokeh was okay, not bad, but not stellar either.


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Jun 24, 2016 05:14 |  #15

and as another useless single data point, my 35 and 50 Arts both focus quickly and as precisely as the muppet behind the viewfinder allows them to in dark conditions


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