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Canon 5D Mrk II - time to upgrade?

 
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Aug 23, 2016 20:34 |  #1

Good evening fellow photographers!

I have been successfully shooting landscapes and people for 6 years with my 5D Mrk II. I print a lot of my work, as wide as 50" and I am very happy with the results.

The camera experienced all kinds of weather conditions, from +40C to -35C and it is still going strong.

Basically I have no issues whatsoever with my camera.

The question is: would I benefit from anything upgrading to the upcoming 5D Mrk IV? I believe in the 8 years since the release of the Mrk II the technology evolved quite a bit. I am just not sure what kind of benefits in terms of image quality I will be getting (I only shoot stills and video recording has no use for me - never recorded anything with my camera).

Thanks!
Marcos


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Aug 24, 2016 08:40 |  #2

You'll get more resolution for a bit more detail when you print larger.

I am hoping one of the bigger improvements would be recovery of detail in the shadow's. So far the Canon 80D crop sensor seems to have really improved in the mediocre canon world when it comes to dynamic range if you compare to Nikon or Sony.

Noise handling should be a very nice improvement over the 5d2.

My 5d2 still works great for my events photography but you will always feel that there's more newer technology out there to improve the foundation of your RAW files when you post process.


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Aug 24, 2016 09:13 |  #3

If some of the rumors are true and the new 5D does indeed contain Lytro light field technology, then this might be a truly revolutionary upgrade. I too am still shooting with my 5DII as the 5DIII and 6D really offered nothing I needed especially IQ wise, but the 5DIV is looking mighty interesting. Will have to see what is officially announced tomorrow.


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Aug 24, 2016 09:16 |  #4

Hi! I have had my 5D2 for a very long time, as well. I used to shoot a lot and photography was about 25% of all the work I did. I have since semi-retired and working as a teacher, but I still take my 5D2 all over and take pictures when my students have weddings or parties or sports events. I still have grandkids and one high schooler, so I do events. I do mostly charity events for free. Anyway, the 5D2 has been my best friend for a long time, but I skip a generation and Canon's been leaving me waiting for the 5D4 which is supposed to be announced tomorrow.

My advice is to wait until the new camera is announced, see how much money you have. If it's something you can afford and can use, do it! I upgrade when I have money saved. I saved a lot of money for the new one. When I shot for real, for money, buying new equipment was so easy, not it's not so much.

If you are happy with your 5D2, then no worries. The new models will always be here and the 5D3 will be a bargain in a few days.


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Aug 24, 2016 09:30 |  #5

5Dsr, pick one up during christmas shopping season, its getting close. More megapixels and no AA vs better dynamic range.


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Aug 24, 2016 17:46 |  #6

Thank you guys for all the advice.
I have been doing some research and I believe the 5DsR is the way to go, like Charlie suggested. I believe it would make perfect sense for my landscape and nature images, while I would keep the Mrk II for events and portraits.:lol:


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Aug 24, 2016 22:52 |  #7

Why not use the 5ds for events as well? Its AF is much better than the 5d2. Actually I am not sure what the 5d2 would ever shoot if I had both.


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Aug 24, 2016 22:58 |  #8

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18105295 (external link)
Why not use the 5ds for events as well? Its AF is much better than the 5d2. Actually I am not sure what the 5d2 would ever shoot if I had both.

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5d2 is still a useful camera for something ;P

I'll usually keep it for my long telephoto setup for events photography.

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Aug 24, 2016 23:00 |  #9

Sure it works... But the 5ds does 99.9% of everything better, I would think. I had a couple of 5d2 bodies and simply wasnt impressed with them. Banding noise was terrible, resolving fine detail with good glass wasnt a strong suit, and high ISO was just okay. I ended up getting a 1d4 and picked up a 5d classic.


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Aug 24, 2016 23:30 |  #10

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18105303 (external link)
Sure it works... But the 5ds does 99.9% of everything better, I would think. I had a couple of 5d2 bodies and simply wasnt impressed with them. Banding noise was terrible, resolving fine detail with good glass wasnt a strong suit, and high ISO was just okay. I ended up getting a 1d4 and picked up a 5d classic.

No argument if you compare old tech to new....... Cost factor becomes an issue if you want multiple bodies. This is where I'll take gear talk to a certain level. Photographic composition will carry a lot more weight than the adequate limitations of a 5d2 camera body.

I look at camera's as a dumb tool. I've seen incredible breathtaking photos taken with a 5dc and mediocre with a 5d3. However a 5d3 (5dsr) in the right hands will step up a notch in visual candy if you compare that same gifted photographer was using older capable gear. Gear does make a difference as long as the user can tap into that potential.

Teamspeed, don't worry the canon world will be jaded and giddy as people start holding a 5d4 very very soon....just you watch!! LOL!!! Let the bragging rights begin. Cheers to the gifted artistic photographers and hobbyists with fat wallets....LOL!!

I shot a 2 day VW car show (Probably the biggest show in Canada) using my 5d2 and fuji X-T10. Kept my 5d3 and 70-200 f/2.8is mk2 in my car. In good light I didn't feel the need to utilize a 5d3. 10mb limitation sure kills IQ for potn's gallery. Nonetheless I didn't sacrifice IQ using my older body. However if I document a wedding I'll use my 5d3 as my primary.

Marcos, I think the 5dsr would be a wise choice for more resolution. Try renting one before committing.

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Aug 25, 2016 08:58 |  #11

But the 5Ds/r, 5D3 and 5D4 open up all new territories. I shot 2 seasons of NBA sports with a 5D3, it did very well. The 5D2 couldn't do anything in that environment. If you are just shooting daylight scenes, street and otherwise, the 5D classic still produces beautiful results.

It is in the more troublesome areas of sports, low light, dark stage drama, etc where the 5Ds/r, 5D3, and now the 5D4 will do much better due to their much improved AF and better ISO management.

I just don't think I would ever use a 5D2 if I had both a 5D2 and 5Ds in the bag. I guess if I was in an environment that could be detrimental to a body, I would use the 5D2, whether it had the possibility of theft, dirty air, etc.

And I can tell you those results aren't direct out of camera from the 5d2 too, they are too good, and you can tell what post processing was performed. ;) Alot of great results from even the FF bodies are all about the post processing. It's kinda like trying to sell someone a stock corvette, then show them examples of track results from a Lingenfelter vette of the same year/model to show what they might be able to experience.


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Aug 25, 2016 09:21 |  #12

TS,

Yes the application varies so much from photog to photog. Also personal preferene plays such a key roll in the selection of gear.

My low actuation 5d2 will be going to my 9yrs old daughter. She already uses my fuji gear. My 7 yrs old rocks my Fuji as well....

Thank goodness my scope of my work isn't involving shooting sports. I'll be picking up a fuji x-T2 and my 5d3 will shoot such subjects with ease for my casual application.

However with bounced flash or remote flash documentation at a wedding reception you cannot tell the difference between my 5d3 or 5d2. Such subject matter does not really need sports camera capabilities.

For your basketball / court sports application it's understood you have no interest in a 5d2.

Sadly the 5d4 will be a good $4500 CDN i bet!!! I'll hold off......The current Canon 5dsr is $4700!!


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Aug 25, 2016 09:45 as a reply to AlanU's post |  #13

Alan, thank you for the great advice. I will be definitely renting a 5DsR in the fall to shoot some fall colours, so I can have a good comparison with the Mrk II older shots.

Later tonight I will post some images I took with my MrkII.


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Aug 25, 2016 10:33 as a reply to AlanU's post |  #14

Yes, I am a bit disappointed in the US price too of just the body, and then looking at the international prices, yikes. It is high enough that I won't jump on it just yet, I will wait a bit. It is also at a price point where I might just consider picking up a used 5Ds and use it for a while.


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Aug 25, 2016 14:21 |  #15

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18105797 (external link)
Yes, I am a bit disappointed in the US price too of just the body, and then looking at the international prices, yikes. It is high enough that I won't jump on it just yet, I will wait a bit. It is also at a price point where I might just consider picking up a used 5Ds and use it for a while.

Basically the 5dmk4 is $1000 (living and buying in Canada)more than if a US person buys it for 3500USD in the US....Man that's steep.

Looks like I'm buying another 5d3 and fuji X-T2(or 80D for vid application)


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