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Mar 16, 2017 10:21 |  #31

Couple more questions. Do both the booms come with counter balance weight or not? Also do I need to get the grip head if I go with the Kupo boom? Thanks.


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Mar 16, 2017 10:34 |  #32

bobbyz wrote in post #18302452 (external link)
Couple more questions. Do both the booms come with counter balance weight or not? Also do I need to get the grip head if I go with the Kupo boom? Thanks.

Neither come with a counterbalance weight. I suppose they don't know the weight of your light/mod or your desire for degree of offset from the stand. Counterweight; ??100-150% of your light/mod weight.

With the Kupo Baby boom (either steel or aluminum) the Grip-head is extra. MSE throw theirs in. If you are inclined not to use a Drop Pin or similar, then the Hex flats on the Kupo boom's terminal pin's neck can be very useful in an anti-twist role.




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Mar 16, 2017 10:48 |  #33

I am thinking Mathews magic finger instead of the drop down pin. I have avenger drop down pin, they are nice but only for simple case with modifier facing down.

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...78762%2C&is=REG&A=d​etails (external link)


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Mar 16, 2017 10:59 as a reply to bobbyz's post |  #34

MSE Magic finger .. nice, but they don't articulate beyond 90 - would that matter?

I think that's why Scott favoured the MSE Knuckle Head instead:

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=ykdzw-olQ9c (external link)




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Mar 16, 2017 18:43 |  #35

The MSE baby rollers have awesome construction and I use them continuously, but I would hesitate to boom off them. In contrast, the junior rollers are virtually tip-proof: I never sandbag even with 60 lbs overhead. MSE juniors have a larger footprint and larger wheels that are quick to roll. Bumping or walking into a loaded stand is much less dramatic when it can simply move over instead of tip over. :)

As for the leveling leg, the MSE implementation is not my favorite: a screw that grinds into the leg insert (marring the chrome), and forcing that screw to carry 1/3 of the load. Frankly, dumb and unsafe. I avoid the standard "Hollywood" stands, and stick with the rollers.


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Mar 16, 2017 19:09 |  #36

bobbyz wrote in post #18302474 (external link)
I have avenger drop down pin, they are nice but only for simple case with modifier facing down.

You want to completely avoid rotational loads on a baby pin if held by a screw—and I don't think much of the Kupo solution (beveled pin). If the inbuilt pin of a boom is very secure, then a modest rotational load can be supported if you employ a knuckle. A knuckle (either gag or business end of a grip arm) is designed to resist rotation by clamping onto a rod (arm, rod, full baby pin, etc). Heavy loads need to hang down: the laws of physics are annoying that way.


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Mar 16, 2017 22:57 |  #37

RicoTudor wrote in post #18302814 (external link)
MSE juniors have a larger footprint and larger wheels that are quick to roll.

Do you have any picture? From catalog and B&H the wheels all look same to me.


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Mar 17, 2017 03:30 |  #38

bobbyz wrote in post #18303014 (external link)
Do you have any picture? From catalog and B&H the wheels all look same to me.

Sys shows the Junior Roller larger wheels - on the Left here:

http://photography-on-the.net ...showthread.php?p=18​302116

For Rico: " .. As for the leveling leg, the MSE implementation is not my favorite .. "

I agree, but MSE rates the Digital Baby stand 387032 at 26.3 Kg (58 lbs) - which is easily enough for my needs. The leveling leg and de-mountable option of 4 in braked castors (3rd party, in my case) gives me the flexibility of use I require.




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Mar 17, 2017 08:12 |  #39

Thanks, just saw that picture. Would be nice to know if the wheels are bigger than typical avenger stand. With Junior it will stay inside the studio. With Baby I can take it out once in a while when I offer outdoor photography class at my work.


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Mar 17, 2017 08:22 |  #40

bobbyz wrote in post #18303267 (external link)
Thanks, just saw that picture. Would be nice to know if the wheels are bigger than typical avenger stand. With Junior it will stay inside the studio. With Baby I can take it out once in a while when I offer outdoor photography class at my work.

For foot print diameter comparison:

3.3' Avenger Roller Stand 29 with Low Base
3.25' Matthews Baby Jr. Steel Wheeled Stand
4.75' Matthews Jr. Steel Wheeled Stand



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Mar 17, 2017 21:01 |  #41

Nice rolling c-stands with booms did you also get the arms that usually make up a complete c-stand along with the booms, mine came with booms also I bought the arm kits and made the stands so much more versatile


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