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Colin ­ Glover
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Apr 04, 2017 18:24 |  #1

I've noticed a trend on Amazon reviews relating to cheap photography equipment, be it flashguns, Tripods and other budget equipment. We are all aware of big name players, be it camera manufacturers, or makers of other high end gear costing hundreds. There are several items that are equal to if not better than the big brands. I'll show you one such cheap product's reviews https://www.amazon.com ...Viewpoints=1&pageNu​mber=1 (external link) You'll notice that most reviews are glowing 5 star, compared to the big brand at 3-5x the cost. Then there are two terrbible reviews that in my opinion are deliberately written to put you off the product. I'm not saying thay are not actual purchases, but are they there to sabotage these products? I'm just curious as to whether you've ever thought the same. If you have, post examples.


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Apr 04, 2017 18:37 |  #2

Amazon pays people to write reviews. Lots of retail sites do that. Look at established professional reviews.


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Apr 04, 2017 18:50 |  #3

Colin Glover wrote in post #18319610 (external link)
I've noticed a trend on Amazon reviews relating to cheap photography equipment, be it flashguns, Tripods and other budget equipment. We are all aware of big name players, be it camera manufacturers, or makers of other high end gear costing hundreds. There are several items that are equal to if not better than the big brands. I'll show you one such cheap product's reviews https://www.amazon.com ...Viewpoints=1&pageNu​mber=1 (external link) You'll notice that most reviews are glowing 5 star, compared to the big brand at 3-5x the cost. Then there are two terrbible reviews that in my opinion are deliberately written to put you off the product. I'm not saying thay are not actual purchases, but are they there to sabotage these products? I'm just curious as to whether you've ever thought the same. If you have, post examples.

Have you ever bought something that was both cheap and well reviewed, only to have it fail on you? I see this all the time. A cheap knock off of a known (and more expensive) product that will have glowing reviews from the people who received functional product and poor reviews from the people who lost the "quality control lottery".


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Apr 04, 2017 19:59 |  #4

I bypass reviews. I go by price and place of origin/manufacture. When evaluating claims that X selling for $50 is better than X' selling for $500, I let logic triumph over wishful thinking and pony up the $500.


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Apr 04, 2017 21:04 |  #5

Are you writing review on Amazon reviews here?
I followed link and it is totally average review on Amazon. Most of reviews are fine and two strange ones. It is within "statistics".
No conspiracy here. Move on.


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Apr 04, 2017 22:24 |  #6

Bassat wrote in post #18319616 (external link)
Amazon pays people to write reviews. Lots of retail sites do that. Look at established professional reviews.

I am not sure where you get your info?

People write large reviews to reach a level where sellers send them their products for reviews, but Amazon doesn't pay for those reviews. I am an avid Amazon buyer and seller. In fact Amazon is cutting down on this hard, and have sued programs and sellers that try to pay others for reviews. No, Amazon DOES NOT pay for reviews, and as of last Oct, they took a hard stance against sellers on Amazon trying to get fake reviews. All sellers were notified of this.

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Apr 05, 2017 05:59 |  #7

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18319768 (external link)
I am not sure where you get your info?

People write large reviews to reach a level where sellers send them their products for reviews, but Amazon doesn't pay for those reviews. I am an avid Amazon buyer and seller. In fact Amazon is cutting down on this hard, and have sued programs and sellers that try to pay others for reviews. No, Amazon DOES NOT pay for reviews, and as of last Oct, they took a hard stance against sellers on Amazon trying to get fake reviews. All sellers were notified of this.

https://techcrunch.com ...e-or-discounted-products/ (external link)

Google "Amazon merchandise for review". Here is one: http://vonbeau.com ...s-to-review-on-amazon.htm (external link)

You'll get pages of this stuff. Giving free or deeply discounted merchandise for reviews is common place. That is tantamount to paying for reviews, isn't it? "Oh, boy! If I write more BS reviews for products I never took out of the box, I get more free/cheap stuff."


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Apr 05, 2017 07:00 |  #8

Again, that isnt Amazon. Sellers directly, and indirectly through 3rd party services are doing this. This practice is what Amazon is trying to stop. I cannot make it any clearer.


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Apr 05, 2017 07:14 |  #9

Colin Glover wrote in post #18319610 (external link)
...Then there are two terrbible reviews that in my opinion are deliberately written to put you off the product. I'm not saying thay are not actual purchases, but are they there to sabotage these products?....

I think you are talking out of your aperture there mate. So two people didn't like the product and gave it a low ratting, so what.


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Apr 05, 2017 07:24 |  #10

Amazon also pays for negative reviews, I suppose. :)

Neweer is like the Emerson of the TV world, products are hit or miss in their quality i have personally see it. You are in a lottery buying these 3rd party knockoffs so negative reviews are expected.


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Apr 05, 2017 07:44 |  #11

Cheaper also means less QC, and I think that is where you have the good - good - very bad - good item experience happen. Same with flashes in particular, and third party is getting better but build quality is less overall, so you get the clunkers with the diamonds.


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Apr 05, 2017 08:12 |  #12

I assume a sizeable percentage of reviews are grinding an ax. I can get a sense of when a review is biased one way or the other. The best reviews note both good and bad about a product. Biased reviews are either super-good or super-bad; nothing in between. Once past that filter, I put more stock in reviews that are well-written and have no grammatical or spelling errors.


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Apr 05, 2017 09:35 |  #13

john crossley wrote in post #18319969 (external link)
I think you are talking out of your aperture there mate.

This is one of the funniest and cleverest things I have ever read here on POTN!

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TeamSpeed wrote in post #18319959 (external link)
Again, that isnt Amazon. Sellers directly, and indirectly through 3rd party services are doing this. This practice is what Amazon is trying to stop. I cannot make it any clearer.

I agree, and the evidence completely backs this up.

I do not understand why this idea persists - this idea that Amazon pays for reviews. It is erroneous. We are supposed to purge our minds of erroneous ideas when we are shown that they are false, not continue to cling to them.

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Apr 05, 2017 10:50 |  #14

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18320069 (external link)
We are supposed to purge our minds of erroneous ideas when we are shown that they are false, not continue to cling to them.

Tom, prepare for a mind-purge. The idea that people act rationally in dealing with information is erroneous. I could give examples of common mistakes and biases that have been researched, but they might not apply to Amazon specifically.


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Apr 05, 2017 12:18 |  #15

Personally I find that the negative reviews are the ones that are actually useful in judging a product. The 4 and 5 star reviews typically are worthless "Everything's fine and dandy, I haven't used it enough to notice any problems yet."

For the "Brand name" vs "Knock off" products, which are typically "Large established company" vs "Third party with less capital trying to edge their way in", side of things there is also the problem of false inflation. - "I just paid 10-50x what the 'lesser' products cost, therefore this is CLEARLY so much better, and I'm going to convince myself of this to reinforce my decision to spend this much..."

Reviews, good and bad, should always be taken with a grain of salt. There is a lot of cheap kit out there that is more than good enough for the needs of many people or projects. And some of the "Third party" products, sold for a fraction of the price, really are not only great and reliable products, but cheap enough to readily afford having a second on hand as a backup. And those "Brand name" items can, and do, fail at times.


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