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gscrocker
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May 08, 2017 20:07 |  #1

Ive always used crop sensor DSLRs but Ive never really looked in Full Frame. I am going to look at a 7D this week but I am wondering if i should hold out and see if I cant snag a used full frame.

Is there much of a difference in image quality? is it really worth it?

I mostly like to shoot wildlife, landscapes, and the odd portrait.


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May 08, 2017 20:29 |  #2

what are you currently using, an what lenses do you have?


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May 08, 2017 20:30 |  #3

FF will give you better image quality, but will you notice?

compare threads

5D mark iii samples
http://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?t=1​407652

7D samples
http://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?t=1​284812

you'll notice the raws for sure, download some if you get a chance.


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May 08, 2017 20:44 as a reply to DreDaze's post |  #4

I have used Rebel XT, 30D and 40D. Im going to look at a 7D this week. Currently have zero lenses as I sold off all my stuff a few years back.


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May 08, 2017 20:50 |  #5

gscrocker wrote in post #18349584 (external link)
I have used Rebel XT, 30D and 40D. Im going to look at a 7D this week. Currently have zero lenses as I sold off all my stuff a few years back.

how much are you looking to spend then? if you're spending as much on the 7D on a FF you're only option is really the 5Dc which would be pretty terrible for wildlife, i wouldn't even really want to use it for landscapes, but that's probably because if i'm tripod mounted i use live view


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May 08, 2017 20:54 as a reply to DreDaze's post |  #6

well im just buying the 7D because its all that was available on the local buy and sell. I was thinking a 5D MkII.


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May 08, 2017 21:18 |  #7

Consider the lenses that you will need for whatever body you buy. FF lenses are bigger and more expensive than crop lenses for the same field of view. Crop bodies give excellent quality pictures, and FF will top them, but as Charlie asked, will you notice?

Are you planning to make big display prints, or just post to social media?


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May 08, 2017 21:21 |  #8

gscrocker wrote in post #18349589 (external link)
well im just buying the 7D because its all that was available on the local buy and sell. I was thinking a 5D MkII.

where are you located? having to buy all the lenses also means you're going to have some idea of how much you want to spend...i think that may be a determining factor in FF or crop...


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May 08, 2017 21:21 as a reply to Archibald's post |  #9

Id like to make some prints to hang around.


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May 08, 2017 21:22 |  #10

The Canon 80D was the first crop sensor I bought in years. I've used 5d classic, 5d2 and 5d3 for most of my shooting.

I'll have to say without a doubt I get cleaner images with my 5d2 and 5d3 with my 70-200 f/2.8IS mk2 over my 80D.

You "WILL" tell the difference if you look through a folder of images taken with a crop sensor over a full frame IMO. However it all depends on the lighting situation too.

In great light I had fantastic results with my 80D w/ 70-200 during a session I had. I know I would have been able to get better IQ with my 5dmk2 or mk3 but viewing on computer screen or print without serious analysis I really was impressed with the 80D. I still feel Fuji has a better crop sensor for image quality.


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May 08, 2017 21:24 |  #11

DreDaze wrote in post #18349602 (external link)
where are you located? having to buy all the lenses also means you're going to have some idea of how much you want to spend...i think that may be a determining factor in FF or crop...


I am in Nova Scotia, Canada.


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May 08, 2017 21:34 |  #12

gscrocker wrote in post #18349537 (external link)
Ive always used crop sensor DSLRs but Ive never really looked in Full Frame. I am going to look at a 7D this week but I am wondering if i should hold out and see if I cant snag a used full frame.

Is there much of a difference in image quality? is it really worth it?

I mostly like to shoot wildlife, landscapes, and the odd portrait.

what kind of wildlife?

if you go Canon crop sensor you can buy a cheap 10-18 STM or a better quality Canon 10-22 UWA for landscape. If you buy a Canon 100-400 mk2 or a 3rd party Tamron or Sigma lens you can have "wildlife" covered.

All depends if you need fast AF requirement. Nikon also has a "better" package with better AF in a higher number of full frame bodies compared to canon.

Lotsa people like taking advantage of the micro 4/3 for wildlife since the camera has 2x crop factor. Some say the image quality for wildlife is "good enough". A friend of mine used Canon full frame with long telephoto prime$$$$$$$$ that would destroy M43 in challenging light and even "good light". However everybody has a level of "IQ" that is acceptable or "not" acceptable.


5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 80D | 24LmkII | 35mm f/2 IS | 85 mkII L | 100L | EF-S 10-22 | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
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May 08, 2017 21:38 |  #13

AlanU wrote in post #18349619 (external link)
what kind of wildlife?

if you go Canon crop sensor you can buy a cheap 10-18 STM or a better quality Canon 10-22 UWA for landscape. If you buy a Canon 100-400 mk2 or a 3rd party Tamron or Sigma lens you can have "wildlife" covered.

All depends if you need fast AF requirement. Nikon also has a "better" package with better AF in a higher number of full frame bodies compared to canon.

Lotsa people like taking advantage of the micro 4/3 for wildlife since the camera has 2x crop factor. Some say the image quality for wildlife is "good enough". A friend of mine used Canon full frame with long telephoto prime$$$$$$$$ that would destroy M43 in challenging light and even "good light". However everybody has a level of "IQ" that is acceptable or "not" acceptable.


Whatever I come across really. Not so much a bird person but might try something a little different this time around. I spend a lot of time at the zoo but when I go hiking I like to have my camera ready.


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May 08, 2017 22:29 |  #14

gscrocker wrote in post #18349626 (external link)
Whatever I come across really. Not so much a bird person but might try something a little different this time around. I spend a lot of time at the zoo but when I go hiking I like to have my camera ready.


Test gear!!

For a hike or casual shooting I love using my Fuji X-T2 with 55-200. Extremely light combination and incredible IQ from this mirrorless camera. You don't need to buy an X-T2. The little brother X-T20 produces exact image quality but less $$$$ with a tad less features.

I'd take the fuji over my 80D or full frame camera's.


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May 08, 2017 22:32 |  #15

If you are not that committed yet to subjects or to how you will use your photos, then I would suggest approaching photography in stages, and starting at one of the lower stages rather than near the top. Buy the used 7D or a current Rebel with the kit lens. Today's basic DSLRs and their kit lenses are truly amazing in what they can do.

Then see where your interests lead you. That direction might take you to fast primes, or telephoto zooms, or an FF body, or maybe something different. Find out what you like and where your gear is limiting you. You might even change directions once or twice. You might end up with both crop and FF, because they have different capabilities.

We are just guessing based on what you are saying.

If you are still pondering your original question of FF vs crop, there are numerous web sites that do comparisons, and many threads here at POTN that talk about the advantages and disadvantages. Generally FF is best for portraits and landscapes, whereas crop has advantages for wildlife and macro photography. Pros tend to use FF (but also crop), and serious amateurs use crop (but also FF).

And don't forget, there is also micro-4/3, which is gaining ground among serious amateurs.


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