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davesrose
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Dec 20, 2017 13:14 as a reply to post 18522628 |  #661

The Nikon Df was meant to have similar controls as the Nikon FM, but it in no way has similar size and weight as the FM. AF can add weight and diameter to a lens, but not necessarily length (as evidence in the 800mm FD vd EF example I just gave). M 4/3 and APS mirrorless systems were designed as a system, so their lenses can be inherently smaller in size and weight. DSLRs were designed around 35mm film format, even though they first utilized crop sensors.

Here's a size comparison of the Nikon Df with Nikon FM2 and Leica M9:

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Dec 20, 2017 13:57 |  #662

Charlie wrote in post #18522594 (external link)
Nikon DF

tried and failed, that flange distance will mean that lenses 85mm and smaller will be larger.

Nikon Df is not at all what I'm talking about... that thing was huge and heavy.


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Dec 20, 2017 13:59 |  #663

Charlie wrote in post #18522628 (external link)
I havent used older MF cams and was under the impression that the DF was a "smaller" dslr.

The older MF lenses like the AIS from nikon, are relatively small, but they also have no AF motors. Many lenses cant quite match the size of current mirrorless options.

AF motors might make for a larger barrel diameter, but the FL itself should not force lens dimension much.

  • In the case of the Olympus OM 135 f/2.8 lens it is 80mm from front of lens to the mating surface of the lens (not including the mount itself);
    the body of OM-1 is 49mm from lens mount front to back of body.
  • In the case of the Canon EF 100mm f/2 lens, it is 73mm from front of lens to the mating surface of the lens (not including the mount itself);
    the body of 5D is 59mm from lens mount front to back of body (omitting the distance that any controls on the back protrude past the back surface of the body)

...so the OM body is 10mm thinner, and 35mm longer FL lens only increases lens length by 7mm

OM-1 plus 135mm = 128mm total depth
5D plus 100mm = 127mm total depth
yet the dSLR looks so much bulkier, and it weighs 1.6x as much

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Dec 20, 2017 15:00 |  #664

Angmo wrote in post #18522544 (external link)
My main concern is when I can shake off this crappy “senior member” title and move on to all the cool ones EVERONE ELSE has...

Congrats, the Title Fairy was pretty quick in finding your quote worthy phrase:-)

*looks like I picked a bad week to give up halucinagens*


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Dec 20, 2017 15:03 |  #665

Angmo wrote in post #18522544 (external link)
My main concern is when I can shake off this crappy “senior member” title and move on to all the cool ones EVERONE ELSE has...


davesrose wrote in post #18522724 (external link)
Congrats, the Title Fairy was pretty quick in finding your quote worthy phrase:-)


The TF is a poor speller.


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Dec 20, 2017 15:03 |  #666

davesrose wrote in post #18522724 (external link)
Congrats, the Title Fairy was pretty quick in finding your quote worthy phrase:-)

:-). Gave me a hearty laugh this holiday...!


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Dec 20, 2017 16:08 |  #667

I've always wondered how people changed their titles. Mystery solved :lol:


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Dec 20, 2017 16:38 |  #668

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18522784 (external link)
I've always wondered how people changed their titles. Mystery solved :lol:

Oh yes .. you can certainly make yourself an easy and attractive target for the Title Fairy's attention. Take care, though. She can be capricious ... occasionally, vicious.

Be careful what you wish for.


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