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The 24-105 ver2 must be pretty good

 
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Jun 15, 2017 17:29 |  #1

Because I keep watching our sales forum and NOBODY ever lists one.




  
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Jun 15, 2017 17:31 |  #2

It might also just be because it's still relatively new and/or people haven't been upgrading because they're either satisfied with the mkI and don't want to pay the upgrade price or, like me, already have the Sigma 24-105, making the mkII unattractive/unnecessa​ry.

Edit: yeah, all other things being equal, with the Sigma being $200 less and not that much heavier, I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't so many Canon MkIIs around.


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Jun 15, 2017 18:06 as a reply to  @ Apricane's post |  #3

And it's an stm lens which many people do not like.




  
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Jun 15, 2017 19:12 |  #4

Previously the 24-105 as a kit lens could be had with a body at a savings over buying them separately. Folks would could sell them immediately as white box, and still make save on the body.

Last I checked, canon is not pricing them at a discount, or at least not substancial discount.

My guess is people aren't buying nearly as many kits unless they are sure they want the lens.


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Jun 15, 2017 20:05 |  #5

I'm pretty sure that the lens the OP is referring to is the 24-105 f/4 USM mkII, not the 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 STM.

And yeah, since the kit lens is now the 24-105 STM (I believe) then it figures that fewer people would have extra 24-105 mkIIs sitting around waiting to be sold.


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Jun 16, 2017 03:17 |  #6

L lenses ship with FF cameras. It's the USM mkII that is going out with new FF bodies.


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Jun 16, 2017 06:05 |  #7

eddieb1 wrote in post #18379328 (external link)
And it's an stm lens which many people do not like.

My guess is that people who don't like the STM lens are people who have not used the STM lens. With the notable exception of weather sealing, it is a better lens all around than the f/4L, version I. Sharper across the frame, at any focal length or aperture, a bit less distortion at the wide end, way sharper at the long end, improved IS, smaller, cheaper, lighter, AND it focuses faster than EF-s STM lenses. It ain't ring USM, but its no slouch either. It does suffer from being only part-time manual (PTM?). Manual focus is only available while you have AF active, and a few seconds afterward. I wouldn't want an STM macro lens.

I think the whole 'focus-by-wire' thing turns people off. I don't understand that. The 85L II does the same thing, and it sells.

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Oops! Forgot to mention that the 24-105II has been recalled. It only affected some copies, and I'm sure Canon has fixed the problem.


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Jun 16, 2017 06:08 |  #8

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18379643 (external link)
L lenses ship with FF cameras. It's the USM mkII that is going out with new FF bodies.

The 24-105 II is an L-lens.
https://shop.usa.canon​.com …f-24-105mm-f-4l-is-ii-usm (external link)


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Jun 16, 2017 06:42 |  #9

He knows, he is answering this post, which is a misguided reply to the comment "cameras ship with kit lenses". Kit lenses can be Ls as well. Nobody cares about the 24-105 3.5-5.6 and shouldn't have been brought into the discussion at all. "KIT" just means combo and doesn't designate a certain line of lenses. ;)

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I'm pretty sure that the lens the OP is referring to is the 24-105 f/4 USM mkII, not the 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 STM.

And yeah, since the kit lens is now the 24-105 STM (I believe) then it figures that fewer people would have extra 24-105 mkIIs sitting around waiting to be sold.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18379368 (external link)
Previously the 24-105 as a kit lens could be had with a body at a savings over buying them separately. Folks would could sell them immediately as white box, and still make save on the body.


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Jun 16, 2017 06:53 |  #10

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18379726 (external link)
He knows, he is answering this post, which is a misguided reply to the comment "cameras ship with kit lenses". Kit lenses can be Ls as well. Nobody cares about the 24-105 3.5-5.6 and shouldn't have been brought into the discussion at all. "KIT" just means combo and doesn't designate a certain line of lenses. ;)

yup.

given the thread title includes "24-105 ver2", the STM isn't part of the original line of discussion.


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Jun 16, 2017 08:42 |  #11

I agree with it likely due to the lens being fairly new. Plus the version 1 was so good (I many opinions) that people are likely just going with those, new or used.

I just picked one up so the serial number on mine is thankfully beyond the affected recalls.

Having used version 1 and 2, the differences are not huge. The most obvious improvement is the IS - a lot quieter. And don't drop it on your toes!




  
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Jun 16, 2017 08:45 |  #12

Bassat wrote in post #18379706 (external link)
My guess is that people who don't like the STM lens are people who have not used the STM lens. With the notable exception of weather sealing, it is a better lens all around than the f/4L, version I. Sharper across the frame, at any focal length or aperture, a bit less distortion at the wide end, way sharper at the long end, improved IS, smaller, cheaper, lighter, AND it focuses faster than EF-s STM lenses. It ain't ring USM, but its no slouch either. It does suffer from being only part-time manual (PTM?). Manual focus is only available while you have AF active, and a few seconds afterward. I wouldn't want an STM macro lens.

I think the whole 'focus-by-wire' thing turns people off. I don't understand that. The 85L II does the same thing, and it sells.

EDIT:
Oops! Forgot to mention that the 24-105II has been recalled. It only affected some copies, and I'm sure Canon has fixed the problem.

It depends what you read. I have read that the stm lens is not that great of an upgrade. If you have version 1, you really wouldn't gain anything by upgrading.




  
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Jun 16, 2017 20:12 |  #13

Bassat wrote in post #18379706 (external link)
My guess is that people who don't like the STM lens are people who have not used the STM lens. With the notable exception of weather sealing, it is a better lens all around than the f/4L, version I. Sharper across the frame, at any focal length or aperture, a bit less distortion at the wide end, way sharper at the long end, improved IS, smaller, cheaper, lighter, AND it focuses faster than EF-s STM lenses. It ain't ring USM, but its no slouch either. It does suffer from being only part-time manual (PTM?). Manual focus is only available while you have AF active, and a few seconds afterward. I wouldn't want an STM macro lens.

I think the whole 'focus-by-wire' thing turns people off. I don't understand that. The 85L II does the same thing, and it sells.

EDIT:
Oops! Forgot to mention that the 24-105II has been recalled. It only affected some copies, and I'm sure Canon has fixed the problem.

...and speed. A full stop at the long end. I was all fired up for it until I saw that.


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Jun 17, 2017 01:35 |  #14

If nobody is buying it, then there's not many to sell used....


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Jun 17, 2017 10:13 |  #15

Well my guess is the reason you see nobody selling one, is because they are good.

If they were not so good, then all the dealers would have them in stock.

Try finding one in-stock that is not pulled from a kit.

Last time a dealer told me they had one, they had to break it out of a kit.




  
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