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Oct 04, 2017 18:34 |  #31

repete7 wrote in post #18465899 (external link)
What's the saying, "You're not stuck in a traffic jam, you are the traffic jam"?

I think some places are going to have to go to a reservation system like the wave in AZ.

I hope so! I won't visit without one. It's pointless if the places are like a trip to the local shopping mall... why bother?!




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Oct 04, 2017 18:35 |  #32

wallstreetoneil wrote in post #18465909 (external link)
1) any concert of the crowd / stadium and band that doesn't have 10,000 cell phones being held up

2) any bride walking up the aisle that doesn't have 20 cellphones reaching into the aisle

3) any monied asian wedding that doesnt have at least 5 family / guests with pro DSLRs and Pro glass battling for position

Ugh...exactly why I quit weddings long ago. Let uncle bob fiddle around and work for free instead of getting in my way asking questions




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Oct 04, 2017 19:34 as a reply to post 18465655 |  #33

I'll admit I've stood at an overlook with a crowd a few times (I felt a bit unseemly afterwards), including just a few days ago. Those do tend to be nice photos, that overlook is there for a reason, but they also don't have much of an element of creativity about them, since everyone there is getting about the same thing. I do find it more satisfying to get some oddball photo from wandering around in the woods than getting the grand vista from a well know view point.

I wonder if part of the explanation for the crowds at these places is the photo workshop. When I was at that overlook a few days ago and started chatting with whoever was setup next to me, she was part of a large group there. As soon at the sun rose they left, which as odd, because I thought the light got a little bit better for a short while after they left. So a lot of people are apparently ok with being guided around to these places.

(i'd quote e jenner's post, but I hit a random key and the quoter deal went haywire)


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Oct 04, 2017 20:29 |  #34

patrick j wrote in post #18466135 (external link)
I'll admit I've stood at an overlook with a crowd a few times (I felt a bit unseemly afterwards), including just a few days ago. Those do tend to be nice photos, that overlook is there for a reason, but they also don't have much of an element of creativity about them, since everyone there is getting about the same thing. I do find it more satisfying to get some oddball photo from wandering around in the woods than getting the grand vista from a well know view point.

I wonder if part of the explanation for the crowds at these places is the photo workshop. When I was at that overlook a few days ago and started chatting with whoever was setup next to me, she was part of a large group there. As soon at the sun rose they left, which as odd, because I thought the light got a little bit better for a short while after they left. So a lot of people are apparently ok with being guided around to these places.

(i'd quote e jenner's post, but I hit a random key and the quoter deal went haywire)

Agreed: It's supposed to be about the journey, and fighting it out/learning for that tough photo or composition you've tried for over several years. Instead we have a situation where it's show up at a view point, and even in the worst light, you post process your way to results. It's just very disingenuous, but looks great to ever diminishing people not 'in the know' about photography and light.

What's angering is that the ones that do have the talent and patience who do nail a photo after years and years, get dismissed as: "well, he has that nice lens/camera..." Leading people to believe that it's just another consumerist activity rather than one of perseverance and art.




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Oct 04, 2017 21:23 |  #35

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And what else are we suppose to do. Run around the world finding uncharted land.

Easier thing to do is move to Ireland. Them people are spoiled with beauty


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Oct 04, 2017 21:57 |  #36

A lot of shots will be extinct. And that's why we have shots of them.

Mind, not condoning the destruction of habitat. But really, everything changes over time.

Frankly I have no interest of reproducing the same image that has been done thousands of time. Sure, sometimes its just about doing it yourself. But what do you really get from standing elbow to elbow with others doing the same thing, or beating them to the punch, only that, many already did that before you too. There's nothing unique going on here.

I think its much more rewarding to simply go off and find stuff that isn't ultra-popular and on a top 10 budding photographer bucket list that is overdone to the moon and back.

I know if I went to a national park and saw a line with 1,000 people in it, I'd be cussing back to my car and leaving.

And for everyone concerned with the lost potential shots and sights here on Earth, you should see the legendary tears spawning from the amount of light pollution that has ruined what you can enjoy in the sky.

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Oct 05, 2017 08:11 |  #37

MalVeauX wrote in post #18466216 (external link)
A lot of shots will be extinct. And that's why we have shots of them.

Mind, not condoning the destruction of habitat. But really, everything changes over time.

Frankly I have no interest of reproducing the same image that has been done thousands of time. Sure, sometimes its just about doing it yourself. But what do you really get from standing elbow to elbow with others doing the same thing, or beating them to the punch, only that, many already did that before you too. There's nothing unique going on here.

I think its much more rewarding to simply go off and find stuff that isn't ultra-popular and on a top 10 budding photographer bucket list that is overdone to the moon and back.

I know if I went to a national park and saw a line with 1,000 people in it, I'd be cussing back to my car and leaving.

And for everyone concerned with the lost potential shots and sights here on Earth, you should see the legendary tears spawning from the amount of light pollution that has ruined what you can enjoy in the sky.

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Everything does change. We started taking the kids to the Smokies before the big die off of the Eastern Hemlock trees. So, we got to see it, but that was before I had taken up photography seriously, so I don't have any good photos. I also have the remnants of chestnut trees growing on my property. I go out and say hello everyone once in a while, but I know they are doomed.

Some of the parks are promoting dark skies, which seems good at first, but then you realize how totally weird it is that you have to go to a remote area of a national park to see the stars.


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Oct 05, 2017 22:55 |  #38

I grew up in Montana and Wyoming. There is no doubt, things have changed there. I'm old, so there is that. ;)

Anyway, it's a bit sad that the name "Glacier National Park" is now ironical.


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Oct 06, 2017 10:58 |  #39

Littlejon Dsgn wrote in post #18465884 (external link)
Yup Jonsrud is the one Im talking about. Its gonna be packed again tonight at sunset due to the almost full moon rising right over Mt. Hood. Im going to shoot it from my roof with a beer :)

Here is what I ended up with from Beaverton:

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Oct 06, 2017 11:16 as a reply to markesc's post |  #40

Nice for all the "air space" between you and the shot. Thats what I was set up for but from my location the moon came up on the other side of the mountain.




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Oct 06, 2017 17:11 |  #41

Littlejon Dsgn wrote in post #18467264 (external link)
Nice for all the "air space" between you and the shot. Thats what I was set up for but from my location the moon came up on the other side of the mountain.

Nice! Lets see it!




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Oct 06, 2017 18:19 |  #42

markesc wrote in post #18467448 (external link)
Nice! Lets see it!

O it did not come out how I planned and I scrapped the shot. When it comes to landscapes unless I think I might hang it on my wall I file it in the round bin and move on.




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Oct 07, 2017 05:31 |  #43

01Ryan10 wrote in post #18417915 (external link)
Any other places like this? Just way too crowded to attempt?

Google maps satellite view can help in search/discovery. Several years ago I used the technique and found a small pond along a gravel road in the Wilson Wyoming (near Jackson Hole) area. We drove in one July evening and found a cow moose and calf about 25 feet from the road. Over the years we always return to the same "unfound" spot and almost always catch unique wildlife.




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Oct 07, 2017 10:25 |  #44

John from PA wrote in post #18467699 (external link)
Google maps satellite view can help in search/discovery. Several years ago I used the technique and found a small pond along a gravel road in the Wilson Wyoming (near Jackson Hole) area. We drove in one July evening and found a cow moose and calf about 25 feet from the road. Over the years we always return to the same "unfound" spot and almost always catch unique wildlife.

This and sometimes just taking random roads with no destination other than just to take things in, and sometimes you find a sweet photo!




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Oct 07, 2017 10:56 |  #45

01Ryan10 wrote in post #18417915 (external link)
I suspect Horseshoe Falls in Yosemite during "Firefall" season may be on the verge of the same fate.

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

"The Yosemite Firefall was a summer time event that began in 1872 and continued for almost a century, in which burning hot embers were spilled from the top of Glacier Point in Yosemite National Park to the valley 3,000 feet below. From a distance it appeared as a glowing waterfall. The owners of the Glacier Point Hotel conducted the firefall. History has it that David Curry, founder of Camp Curry, would stand at the base of the fall, and yell "Let the fire fall," each night as a signal to start pushing the embers over.

"The Firefall ended in January 1968, when the National Park Service ordered it to stop because the overwhelming number of visitors that it attracted trampled the meadows, and because it was not a natural event. NPS wanted to preserve the Valley, returning it to its natural state. The Glacier Point Hotel was destroyed by fire 18 months later and was not rebuilt."


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