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superclarkey
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Aug 24, 2017 08:50 |  #1

I've always been a Canon shooter, even when I sold all my Canon gear and stopped photography for a year, when I returned the problem I found was that I really didn't know what I was buying with the Nikon system, I mean it was clear that the Sensor in the D810 was amazing (not that I ever used the camera) but I bought a camera when it was on offer and I had it on the shelf for a while and I never got round to buying a lens to even try it, in the end one of my buddies bought it off me for more than I paid so was no loss. But seeing as I was thinking of adding a 5Dsr as I currently only have 1 body, it got me thinking instead of dropping £3k on a 5dSR do I consider having a Nikon D850 + a few lens and have a more diverse system?

Never been bothered what I shoot, but I really feel at home with the canon system and the lens selections work for me, I don't need anything really just choice and enjoy detail in the shots.

So in short the thing that I felt was that I knew where I stood with the L-Glass, specially that 70-200mm ƒ/2.8 mk ii, that for me is what made me in the end go back into the Canon system, even though the specs of the D810 seemed to be better, the lens that I would attach to said camera seemed to be the harder choice, as the D810 seemed a no brainer really.. I have no regrets with the 5DmkIV i think its brilliant, and I have no intention of selling my Canon gear!!

So do I get a 5Dsr or put a pre-order down for a D850 and a lens and start building up some Nikon gear also?

Thoughts?


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Charlie
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Aug 24, 2017 09:20 |  #2

stick with canon then, juggling gear is a hassle, non working lenses, different batteries, just way too much noise.


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superclarkey
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Aug 24, 2017 09:24 |  #3

Charlie wrote in post #18435786 (external link)
stick with canon then, juggling gear is a hassle, non working lenses, different batteries, just way too much noise.

Yeah the things that puts me off having two systems is I already get annoyed how much cables and extras I have to carry about, this will just double that.

Still... very tempted by a D850 and a lens :D lol


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Aug 24, 2017 13:31 |  #4

Just looking at the specs is jaw-dropping. Nikon's on the defensive due to lower sales and they are "swinging for the fences". At least on paper, they got a home run. Other than the lack of DPAF, the Nikon appears to beat
the 5Dmk4 in every way. Not switching camp ... not yet anyway. :)


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Aug 24, 2017 13:59 |  #5

It's about time Nikon released an a99ii competitor. This camera looks like a beast for sure.


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steve67
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Aug 24, 2017 14:46 |  #6

Looking at the Nikon D850 it seems to kill the mark 4 in every way possible. I do have a mark 4 and I do really like it, but dam if I didn't have money in the canon system I would be looking at the Nikon. It will be interesting if it is as good as it is on paper.


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stlouis_26
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Aug 24, 2017 14:47 |  #7

superclarkey wrote in post #18435764 (external link)
I've always been a Canon shooter, even when I sold all my Canon gear and stopped photography for a year, when I returned the problem I found was that I really didn't know what I was buying with the Nikon system, I mean it was clear that the Sensor in the D810 was amazing (not that I ever used the camera) but I bought a camera when it was on offer and I had it on the shelf for a while and I never got round to buying a lens to even try it, in the end one of my buddies bought it off me for more than I paid so was no loss. But seeing as I was thinking of adding a 5Dsr as I currently only have 1 body, it got me thinking instead of dropping £3k on a 5dSR do I consider having a Nikon D850 + a few lens and have a more diverse system?

Never been bothered what I shoot, but I really feel at home with the canon system and the lens selections work for me, I don't need anything really just choice and enjoy detail in the shots.

So in short the thing that I felt was that I knew where I stood with the L-Glass, specially that 70-200mm ƒ/2.8 mk ii, that for me is what made me in the end go back into the Canon system, even though the specs of the D810 seemed to be better, the lens that I would attach to said camera seemed to be the harder choice, as the D810 seemed a no brainer really.. I have no regrets with the 5DmkIV i think its brilliant, and I have no intention of selling my Canon gear!!

So do I get a 5Dsr or put a pre-order down for a D850 and a lens and start building up some Nikon gear also?

Thoughts?

I too have been looking at the 5Dsr. I have googled images taken with a 5Dsr and was amazed at some of the images. I think the site was Pixel-Peepers and there are several pages of pictures and they tell which lens was being used. The Canon 24mm tilt shift lens takes some pictures with amazing detail when you look at them. Check it out.




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Aug 24, 2017 15:13 |  #8

stlouis_26 wrote in post #18436033 (external link)
I too have been looking at the 5Dsr. I have googled images taken with a 5Dsr and was amazed at some of the images. I think the site was Pixel-Peepers and there are several pages of pictures and they tell which lens was being used. The Canon 24mm tilt shift lens takes some pictures with amazing detail when you look at them. Check it out.

Yarp, some truely stunning images comes out of that megapixel beast, clearly I already have some lens that will marry up to it without fuss, so you think it would be a no brainer...


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Aug 24, 2017 15:27 |  #9

I think the biggest issue with the idea of dual systems is that you will need to buy a decent lens along with that D850 to really take advantage of all the latest and greatest sensor & AF in that camera. If you want a 70-200 f/2.8 on Nikon, you're looking at about £2000 on top of £3500 for the camera. With the 5DSR, you're just spending about £3000 for the camera only since you already have the lenses.

It's the primary reason I've not much bothered looking at other brands - cost and time to sell/re-buy lenses along with my flashes and controllers gives me pause everytime I think mirrorless.


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Aug 24, 2017 15:36 |  #10

stlouis_26 wrote in post #18436033 (external link)
I too have been looking at the 5Dsr. I have googled images taken with a 5Dsr and was amazed at some of the images. I think the site was Pixel-Peepers and there are several pages of pictures and they tell which lens was being used. The Canon 24mm tilt shift lens takes some pictures with amazing detail when you look at them. Check it out.

I rented the D800E last week and took pictures with it for a week. I loved the images and I am sure the 850 is going to be a killer. But I really like the Canon menu so much better. I did manage to work my way through the Nikon menu but it was a bit of a chore. At this point I am not sure where I would want to put my money. I plan on giving the Canon 5div a test soon.




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superclarkey
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Aug 24, 2017 15:55 |  #11

wunhang wrote in post #18436070 (external link)
I think the biggest issue with the idea of dual systems is that you will need to buy a decent lens along with that D850 to really take advantage of all the latest and greatest sensor & AF in that camera. If you want a 70-200 f/2.8 on Nikon, you're looking at about £2000 on top of £3500 for the camera. With the 5DSR, you're just spending about £3000 for the camera only since you already have the lenses.

It's the primary reason I've not much bothered looking at other brands - cost and time to sell/re-buy lenses along with my flashes and controllers gives me pause everytime I think mirrorless.

Defo, it would be an expensive exercise but hence why I thought I would ask the question.

The main reason I came back to Canon wasn't because the camera was the outright winner, was because as a package it made the most sense.

For me I never use recording so the main issue people cry about with the mkiv doesn't effect me whatsoever.

I feel like if they had a Canon mount on the front of the D850 I would have already press the buy it now button...

Might just try and pick up a cheap(ish) d810 body when the price drops on them a bit... then think about a d850 later on... or stick with the SR, but I feel with the SR its a one trick pony where the mkiv got me coveted on everything important to me...

Canon need to get into bed with Sony :-)

As Sony is saving Nikons bacon... the nikSonY lol


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Aug 25, 2017 07:48 |  #12

Given the quality issues with the first releases of the D800 and D600, I'd definitely wait on getting the D850 to ensure all the kinks have been worked out.

Having said that, I'd like to know more in depth what you think the D850 will give you that a Canon camera won't in real-world application shooting, beyond the newness and "grass-is-greener" factor. To me, I think the D850 removed it's low pass filter so that the sensor can compensate for the inaccuracies that a lens will show at that resolution. I used the 5Dsr and even with the anti-alias filter gone it still magnified my lens inaccuracies. Technique had to be nearly flawless to get an image that didn't look slightly off.


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AlanU
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Aug 26, 2017 01:28 |  #13

Nikon rep is showing up to my favourite camera shop tomorrow.....I may just step in to see what the fuss is all about. Oddly just was at the camera shopt today and picked up a 5dmk4.

I just had the identical conversation with the manager today...... I discussed a drastic jump from Canon to Nikon. The Manager is a Nikon and fuji shooter. He said it's not always worth spending the money for the transition.

One thing that grabbed my attention was silent shutter from an electronic shutter.....whaaaaaat!​!!! That is truly an evolution from the typical mirrored body.

So the D850 is approx same price as the 5dmk4 but specs wise it's a good 2.5x better for the stills photographer and impressive video specs.

If I was not heavily invested in Canon I would really think of jumping ship to Nikon if video is not a concern. Canon DPAF is really a neat feature that I use for family documentation.

Superclarkey, If you just want that higher res and it suites your needs it's much simpler to stick with Canon. At this moment you can probably sell your 5d4 , 2 lenses and go to Nikon. If you dont care for DPAF and want serious still photography gear the D850 puts the 5dmk4 to shame in that respect.


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Jotto123
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Aug 26, 2017 06:38 |  #14

Ridiculous. Nikon is like 2 generations ahead of Canon


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AlanU
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Aug 26, 2017 12:00 |  #15

Jotto123 wrote in post #18437297 (external link)
Ridiculous. Nikon is like 2 generations ahead of Canon

Thing about a photog adopting a camera system is a choice. Do I regret shooting Canon??? No not really but Canon fully understands human nature and they release the LEAST amount of features on purpose for some odd reason. While Nikon is going full steam in the R&D department in producing incredible serious bodies now.

A local Pro shop that sells primarily to working phtographer professionals now have ramped up FUJI's sales that even surpass the combined sales of Canon/Nikon sales.

Times are changing and Canon is so backwards. The ONLY thing Canon knows is that DPAF is a wonderful feature but just like anything Sony, Nikon and maybe even fuji will surpass that technology.

I still can get over the advertised features of the D850. I wont jump to Nikon but I sure hope Canon wakes up!


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