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Suggestions for Wyoming and Hawaii Trips

 
BTMFL82
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Aug 30, 2017 22:41 |  #1

I have two significant trips coming up. I am spending 10 days in the mountains in and around Jackson Hole, WY in late September/early October. Then spending 2 weeks in Hawaii (Oahu and Kauai) in May. I currently have a 7D and my two primary lenses are the EF-S 15-85 and EF 70-200 F4 IS. I have funds earmarked for some upgrades.

Body: Ready for an upgrade. Like others, I waited a long time for the 6D II. Now I’m reading reviews and initial thoughts of early adapters before I jump on it. I could go 5D IV but it might be overkill and could take funds away from lens options. If I were to go crop again, it would the 7D II or 80D.

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16-35 F4 IS – Might be a perfect lens for these 2 trips. I am pretty sure there are going to be plenty of landscape opportunities. Only issue I see is the gap between it and my 70 – 200.

24-70 F2.8 II – Is it wide enough for these trips. I like the fact I can cover 24-200 with just two lenses.

100-400 II – I will eventually have this lens since I do enjoy wildlife and some birding (mostly hummingbirds). Even if I bought it before the Wyoming trip, I’m not sure I would take it …. Need to travel as light as possible.

If I don’t do anything before the Wyoming trip, I am sure I will be happy with my current setup, but will I be kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on some upgrades. For those that have made similar trips, what did you take and actually use? Are there other options I should be considering?

Thanks in advance!!




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Aug 31, 2017 00:16 |  #2

16-35L III + 24-70L II + 70-200L f4 IS and/or 100-400L II. with those 4 lenses I never need to ask "which lenses" on any trip. you're going to get suggestions covering every lens made when you ask a question like this and really if you don't know what you need how will anyone else?

my suggestion is get a well balanced kit and forget about filling gaps and overlap and bokey. with a well balanced kit you'll do fine wherever you go and if you don't it ain't the gear.

BTW, i'm going to Yellowstone/Tetons in late September. i'll take those four lenses as well as 5d Mark IV and 80d. also, tripod, monopod and flash -- basically everything you see in my signature below.


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Aug 31, 2017 00:32 |  #3

two lenses: 16-35 and 100-400II

Two bodies: 80D and 6DII

I wouldn't take anymore at all... who cares about the gap. Everything will be either wide angle or zoom way the heck out to 400mm for the animals and such... bring a 1.4xIII also. Your going to realize that even 400mm + 1.4x is not enough distance for this stuff. This way you can interchange bodies for whatever focal length you need

6D 16-35
80D 16-35 = 26-56mm
6D 100-400
80D 100-400 = 160-640mm

I'd do the same thing but roll with just 6DII and the same two lenses. Forget the gap. One must ask... tripod? astro stuff?


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Aug 31, 2017 01:41 |  #4

i was going to look at your previous threads to see what you shoot...noticed you went to jackson hole, wyoming 6 years ago...so what worked for you then, and where did you feel like you were held back?

how light do you really need to pack? if you've got a car, and a solid place to stay, i'd think you could pack more and just take what you need, and leave the rest in the room.


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Aug 31, 2017 04:57 |  #5

Talley wrote in post #18441204 (external link)
two lenses: 16-35 and 100-400II

Two bodies: 80D and 6DII

I wouldn't take anymore at all... who cares about the gap. Everything will be either wide angle or zoom way the heck out to 400mm for the animals and such... bring a 1.4xIII also. Your going to realize that even 400mm + 1.4x is not enough distance for this stuff. This way you can interchange bodies for whatever focal length you need

6D 16-35
80D 16-35 = 26-56mm
6D 100-400
80D 100-400 = 160-640mm

I'd do the same thing but roll with just 6DII and the same two lenses. Forget the gap. One must ask... tripod? astro stuff?

I actually 2nd this lineup 100%, it's what I now travel with (5D4 instead of 6D, but FF none the less). Throw in a 1.4xIII, and you're golden. Maybe throw a 35mm prime in there for light weight shooting days. The 100-400 is a beast to carry, but the weight is well worth it in this case.


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Aug 31, 2017 07:01 |  #6

Thanks to all for the suggestions received so far. I do like to shoot a little of everything but only post some wildlife and birds here on the forum. The last Jackson Hole trip was different. I wasn't limited in what I could take. This trip involves a three hour horse ride to get to our final destination. I am limited to 50 lbs of clothing and camping gear for a week in the mountains.




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Aug 31, 2017 08:23 |  #7

I was in Wyoming in June. I rented a 6d mark i, 24-105L, and took my 100-400L i. I was happy with this set up. For me, most of the shots that were wider than 24mm looked better shot as panoramas. Lightroom has done a great job merging the panoramas, except when I forgot to take the Circular polarizer off (my bad). About 20% of my shots were between 35mm and 70mm. My only "lesson learned" (Non, je ne regrette rien) is that I should have just bought the 6d after I tried it out last October instead of waiting for the 6d2. I have bought a 6d2 and I do like it, but I won't wait to buy gear that hasn't been released yet ever again.


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Aug 31, 2017 09:49 |  #8

BTMFL82 wrote in post #18441280 (external link)
Thanks to all for the suggestions received so far. I do like to shoot a little of everything but only post some wildlife and birds here on the forum. The last Jackson Hole trip was different. I wasn't limited in what I could take. This trip involves a three hour horse ride to get to our final destination. I am limited to 50 lbs of clothing and camping gear for a week in the mountains.

I got that impression... this is why traveling light will be beneficial. That 6D2 sensor will handle any low light just fine and I've seen some amazing astro work done with the 16-35 F4 IS. Then combine the 100-400 and your covered. Personally I'd see much more use for the 100-400 for landscapes. Your going to want to get some great shots of the valley and mountains and get shots of mountain peaks and the telephoto will get that sun large vs the landscape and/or moon etc.

Your looking at about 7.25lbs for the 6D2, cards, 3 batteries and the 16-35/100-400. The only other thing I could suggest is a lightweight tripod/head combo. My Sirui T-1205x weighs in at 2lb 12oz so if you carried something like that your at 10-10.25lbs total with a 1.4xIII

I've carried 14lbs to disney before on a backpack for 15 hours and when I switched to 10lbs it was night and day difference. Your only dealing with 3 hours but I wouldn't push more than 10lbs for camera equipment if you want to enjoy your trip. You need to factor in your clothing/food/water/ca​mping gear first then figure out what weight is left to take.

Are you carrying this gear or another horse going to carry?


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Aug 31, 2017 13:21 |  #9

My lens complement goes from 17mm to 300mm and it is "adequate" on a cropped body. I would like more at the long end and could likely live with a bit less at the short end.

Just for things to do in the Jackson area, I suggest you examine my replies (#4 and #5) at http://photography-on-the.net ...showthread.php?p=18​370459.

Not much comment on Hawaii except to say it is very easy (and reasonable) to rent equipment in the Oahu area through https://www.hawaiicame​ra.com/ (external link). If you have the time consider a submarine tour of the harbor. When we did this a few years back the submarine went down to about 100 feet and it was neat to see some of the "ruins" from Pearl Harbor. If you are doing any snorkeling and don't have or don't want to rent underwater gear, then I suggest you go to a local Walmart and pick up some of the Fuji or Kodak disposable 35mm cameras. They are good to about 12 feet down. When you get them processed do not get prints, just get a contact sheet and have the images burned to disk. Very reasonable!

Enjoy coffee? At least on Kona Starbucks had 100% Kona coffee until 11 AM for $1 extra.




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Aug 31, 2017 18:53 |  #10

Thanks Talley. Thanks John for the Hawaii suggestions. I'm limited to two duffle bags that will go on pack horses and a backpack that I will take on another horse. The camera gear will probably be in the backpack for travel to the base camp. I need to keep the weight of the backpack to 10 Lbs give or take a lb. For the Wyoming trip, weight alone may cause me to take the 70-200 instead of a 100-400. I'll lose reach but gain 2 lbs. I have a very good copy (at least I think so) of a 70-300 non-L that I might even consider over the 70-200 for the extra reach. Right now, all my other gear is right around 45 lbs with a few items still to be purchased and packed up. So as you can see, I am getting right up against my limits and looking at all options to save weight. Hawaii won't be an issue.




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Aug 31, 2017 20:31 |  #11

If you are looking at all options then I cannot stress enough how well the Fuji system works. Their latest 24mp sensor performs in between the 5D3 and 5D4. I know... I own the X-T20.

I would HIGHLY recommend the X-T20.

X-T20
10-24
18/2
27/2.8
35 1.4
56 1.2
18-135

ALL of this weighs UNDER 5lbs!!! The quality is amazing. My wife refuses to let me use her X-T20 so I'm about to buy my own for travel. You just cannot beat this sytem for travel. It's excellent. Obiously you don't need all that glass but you could put together a nice kit and keep it under 5lbs easy.

Look for yourself. The wifes kit has all these lenses, flash, spare batteries, strap and shoulder bag at 5lb 14oz.

Once fuji releases a 200/2 and a X-T2s (suppose to have ibis) then I'll probably switch for good.

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Aug 31, 2017 20:48 |  #12

I'de bring 5Div, 16-35 f4, 40/50 stm, 70-200 f4

another option would be the 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, more foolproof, but no option to go really light. I cant imagine going to a restaurant and wielding a 24-70 around for the occasional family snapshot.


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Aug 31, 2017 21:03 |  #13

you could look at the 70-300L, and maybe add a 1.4TC if you need the extra length, and get a body that can AF at f8...it would be lighter than both the 70-200f4IS, and a 100-400L


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Aug 31, 2017 21:10 |  #14

70-300 doesn't work with the 1.4x though..


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Aug 31, 2017 21:22 |  #15

Thanks Talley and Charlie. I think my toughest decision at this point is going to be a 6D ii or a 5D IV. The 5D is probably a little overkill for me but I think I can get it for about $1K more, it fits in my budget with the lenses we've been discussing, it does have several key advantages over the 6D, and I believe it is more similar in lay out to my 7D. I've thought about going the 6D and 80D combination route but feel I am more of a "one body that does everything quite/exceptionally well" kind of photographer. Thanks again.




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