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Different option to 135L, new portrait angle wanted

 
ricduncombe
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Sep 04, 2017 17:32 |  #1

Hi guys

I LOVE my canon 135L, it's the first investment I made 10 years ago along with a 5D when I went away travelling. Now I am still travelling and amazingly lens and camera are still here..! I love this thing and I'd never sell it, but I now have a 5D3 and have started to want a different angle.

I've been looking at a Canon 50L or the new Sigma 85 Art lens. Does anyone with experience of these three lenses think it will be worth the addition?

I want it almost exclusively for head and shoulder portraits, which the 135 does brilliantly, I just think getting in a bit closer with a narrower DOF will give me something new.

Heading for a month in Nepal and India so its going to all be beautiful faces, jewellery, headscarfs and great characters!

Any advice much appreciated!

Ric


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Sep 04, 2017 17:36 |  #2

Heya,

Add the 50L or the 35L II.

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Sep 04, 2017 19:25 |  #3

I don't do straight portraiture, but I think 50mm is too short for head & shoulders work. For H&S with a 50, I feel like I am intruding on others' personal space. That said, my 50 is the least used prime in my closet, which is where it stays most of the time.

Edit:
Just remembered you asked about the 85mm, too. I don't mind using my 85 1.8 for such activities. It gives me more breathing room than the 50.


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Sep 04, 2017 19:30 |  #4

You'd probably love an 85. Have you considered the new 85 1.4 IS?


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Sep 04, 2017 22:56 |  #5

Never used the art, but even the non L canon 1.8 USM 85 is beautiful. The AF is excellent, and it's dirt cheap new or used. The only negative is the lens hood used the el cheapo mount.
But with the new 1.4 IS, some 1.2 L II deals might be had.


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Sep 05, 2017 04:44 |  #6

Well this is incredibly frustrating, as I would have bought the canon in a heartbeat, but I leave the UK on the 26th September for a month of travel and it does not look like it will be released until November. This makes any decision away from this very difficult! Saying that, I have never felt I needed IS on the 135 and rarely, if ever photograph in low light for portraits. Does anyone here have any experience with the Sigma 85? My main doubts are front/back focusing issues and quality control from Sigmas I have owned in the past. For actual image quality, I doubt the new canon would be any different.

Does anyone own the Sigma?

I'm not sure I could stomach the 1.2, that's a huge price jump!


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Sep 05, 2017 10:11 |  #7

Get a dock with the Sigma and you can program MFA at short, medium, and long focal distances in the lens itself.

The Sigma in lens MFA is completly independent of the Canon in body adjustment.You can also add some in camera MFA if any particular location is causing problems. Sometimes it can be the local conditions that cause problems, which is why Canon suggest checking MFA on location.

The new Sigma Art and Sport series lenses have a really good reputation, both optical quality wise, and for the AF. It's not like the 85mm f/1.2 has a stellar reputation for AF performance.

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Sep 05, 2017 16:59 |  #8

I think I'de go with the 50L. From what I remember, you can focus a lot closer than any of the 85 options, which may make it more practical.

The perspective distortion of more noticeable with the 50 than 85, and that can work towards your advantage. If you want a more conventional FL, 85 is great for portraits with really nice working distance.


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Sep 05, 2017 17:53 |  #9

Charlie wrote in post #18445334 (external link)
The perspective distortion of more noticeable with the 50 than 85, and that can work towards your advantage. If you want a more conventional FL, 85 is great for portraits with really nice working distance.

Very good point. My better half really notices 50L distortion on head and shoulder shots. She hates that lens with a passion. The colour and background rendering are nice but you have to constrain portraits to at least 1/2 - 3/4 length unless there is a specific effect you're going for.

Also on my copy 1.2 to 1.8 is noticeably soft, lacks contrast and has muted colour. At f2 it's a completely different lens. I like its idiosyncrasies but it's not for everyone.

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Sep 05, 2017 18:09 |  #10

Hard call. I haven't tried a 50L in a while with my newer bodies. All I can say is that if your shooting f/1.2 you'll get no issues of back focus. I had a problem of noticing many images in the 5 feet range back focus aka focus shift with the 50L. Also the 50L isn't known to be a sharp lens like the 135L. I'm not a fan of the 50L as it should have been revised years ago. If you own the 50L and stop it down do not pixel peep!!

Canon has been long overdue to revise a decent 50mm. I think they should have introduced a better 50mm before producing that 85L f/1.4IS. Lets just hope Canon finally makes a decent 50mm.

If you stick with canon and dont mind a heavy pig lens you can find many used 85Lmk2 f/1.2 primes for sale as everyone is getting all excited over the new 85L f/1.4iS. You can get insane shallow dof and that lens isn't really prone to focus shift. It does have purple fringing issues like many primes. The sharpness is probably not as sharp as the 135L but mind you if you stop down the 85L to f/2 it'll be easily on par.

Now that I'm also a fuji shooter I prefer using my 56 f/1.2 on a fuji crop sensor over using my 85Lmk2 with full frame. When i just decide to stop being a wimp I'll use my 85Lmk2 with my FF bodies and NEVER regret the IQ I get from that lens :)

The EF 85 f/1.8 prime that was mentioned earlier is a cheap gem. IQ is awesome and the auto focus is blazing fast. Colour straight out of camera is probably a tad bland compared to the 135L but nothing LR can fix in seconds. I regret selling mine.

The Sigma is another heavy pig lens but it's sharper with nice micro contrast and faster focusing. I think the focus isn't as bad as the other ART lenses out there. I just wont buy Sigma lenses due to virtually requiring a docking station to fine tune on top of Canon micro adjust. I just stick with native glass as my personal preference.

Not ideal but IQ wise i prefer the 100L over the 135L. The 135L is sharp but the newer fresher gen 100L has the image qualities of lush accurate colours with much more micro conttrast than the aging 135L. I know it's f/2.8 but I bet you can pull more details with that lens and still get nice bokeh. The 100L resembles the IQ youd get with a 70-200 f/2.8IS mk2 compared to the older canon render you'd get with the older 70-200 f/2.8is mk1.


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Sep 05, 2017 19:24 |  #11

just buy the 85 f1.8 now for dirt cheap used...use it on your trip...if you like the length when you come back, and the 85IS is available, switch to that...sell the f1.8 for the price you paid for it

if you don't like the length, you can look at other options


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Sep 05, 2017 19:49 |  #12

DreDaze wrote in post #18445481 (external link)
just buy the 85 f1.8 now for dirt cheap used...use it on your trip...if you like the length when you come back, and the 85IS is available switch to that...sell the f1.8 for the price you paid for it

if you don't like the length, you can look at other options

not a bad idea, while you're at it, pick up the cheap 50 stm just to see how you like the focal length.


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Sep 06, 2017 13:31 |  #13

I really liked 50L, it is lens which stands out like Leica Summilux 50 in terms of something recognizable and good in rendering, but it didn't lasts for years as my 5D. It is lens made with plastic and glue on focusing, front part. Over years it worned out and Canon Canada replaced it with new parts, it was not very expensive repair, but it wasn't as solid as it used to be after service. I don't think it is suitable for travel due to this.
Oh, and if you get really close with it for portraits, it will distort the face. Some OK with it, some are not...


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Sep 07, 2017 06:31 |  #14

Nothing quite like native glass for consistency in AF.

Back when I was shooting Canon the 135L kept me there, I really loved that lens so I know your feeling. I had Sigmas 35 & 50 Art lenses, the 50 Art requiring +6 in AFMF on the camera & once that was done, oh boy that was sharp and the colours too. The 35; I returned my first copy after a few months as it was flaky. The second copy was much better but still took a little bending in the dock to get it right. They are nice lenses but heavy to lug about. Now I have neither problem but also no 135L :(


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Sep 07, 2017 08:13 |  #15

The 135 is why I've not sold my 6D yet. :-)


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