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Anita8L
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Sep 06, 2017 19:07 |  #1

My first camera was a Sony A200 which I loved at the time. I then upgraded to a Canon 7D which I loved but after a while it became to big and heavy and I could never bother to take it out with me so I sold that and purchased a Sony Nex 6 which I currently have and am not too fond of. I use mostly a 50mm f1.8 lens. I looked at buying a new lens but they are just out of my price range. I really want to upgrade back to a DSLR but don't know what to get. I had my heart set on a 6D but am thinking perhaps I should get a cheap camera with better lenses. I will be using it mostly for family snaps at home and want to be able to make my subject pop. I've attached an example of the pics I like to take of my daughter. The only feature I care for is WIFI to easily move the pics onto my iPhone and to be able to get nice blurry backgrounds.
My budget is around $1500-$2000(Australian). Would it make sense to get something as cheap as a Canon 200d with a 135 f2?

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Sep 06, 2017 20:18 |  #2

I think there will be dozens of good answers ranging all the way from a 6D to your phone.

Why not a Canon Rebel with the 18-135mm lens?


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Sep 06, 2017 20:22 |  #3

If you're considering a 6D I'd go for a Nikon D600/610 or a Sony A7 before that. Benefits would be slightly better AF, and much more dynamic range for roughly the same price. Downside would be no 135L, but either one has good 85mm's for cheap(er), or you can get the Sigma 135A and still be at the range of your budget.

The Canon 200d gets you the small form factor, but if you're really after creamy/smooth backgrounds then the larger FF sensor will give you shallower depth of field, but at the expense of size/weight. If you can live with the form factor of the 200d then I'd imagine being a current level DSLR it's more than capable of making fine images. I'd try one out first in the store to see if you like handling it. If it doesn't work for you then I'd suggest the Nikon or Sony instead.




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Sep 06, 2017 21:03 |  #4

Get the 200D and a couple of really fast primes, like a 50 1.4 and 85 1.8....


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Sep 06, 2017 22:59 |  #5

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18446339 (external link)
Get the 200D and a couple of really fast primes, like a 50 1.4 and 85 1.8....

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Sep 07, 2017 01:09 |  #6

200D and a Canon 85 1.8 would be good. 80D and 85 1.8 even better.

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Sep 07, 2017 16:11 |  #7

Thanks everyone for your input. I looked up the Nikon but that's $2k alone for that camera so I will more then likely get the 200D with better lenses. Thanks again everyone.




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Sep 07, 2017 16:35 |  #8

Heya,

You don't need a costly camera for family portraits. You can get as old of a Canon as you wish (if you went Canon). Heck, you could look at the EOS-M series, as the later ones have Wifi I think? Put an 85mm F1.8 on there (cheap!) and you're set for what you've asked for. Take it to the next level with fill flash, such as the 270EXII (small and good). Add the 22mm F2 for wider angles when you're out and about.

I've done great portrait with a 10D (old as heck, $40 USD!) and a 40mm F2.8 prime ($100 USD). Prints great. Looks great.

You don't need to spend $2k to get blurry background snaps of your kids. A 50 F1.8 will do the job fine actually. Getting a blurry background isn't just the lens, it's also how close you are to the subject, so sensor size plays into this because it changes how the FOV will work out. But basically if you want blurry backgrounds, you can combine: 1) Close proximity to subject, so the closer you are to them, the thinner depth of field will be at focus; 2) lots of distance behind your subject to the background, not right up against some bushes or something; 3) fast focal-ratio (F1.4, F2, etc); focal length can help but really it just influences focal-ratio and FOV (but longer focal lengths with fast focal-ratios will obliterate backgrounds if they're far away behind the subject). You can do this with common inexpensive stuff!

You can also look for a used 5D classic ($300 USD commonly), to get a full frame (large sensor). That with an 85mm will murder backgrounds for the look you're seeking. Heck, a 50mm F1.4 or F1.8 on full frame at close distance will blur backgrounds.

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Cheap Canon 10D ($40!) + 50mm F1.8 STM ($100):

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Cheap Canon Rebel XSI ($125) + 40mm F2.8 ($100):

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Cheap Canon 5D classic ($300) + 85mm F1.8 ($250):

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Cheap Canon 5D classic ($300) + Helios 44-2 (58mm F2) manual M42 lens ($40):

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Cheap Canon 5D classic ($300) + Samyang 85mm F1.4 (manual lens) ($200):

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You don't need to get costly gear. You're better off with an inexpensive large sensor of any kind from the past 10 years, and any fast 50~85mm lens (they're inexpensive common focal lengths). Get close. Long distance behind your subject. Fill flash pops great. No need to spend tons of cash for the look. And you can have fun not lugging around a big costly thing to baby and worry over and just enjoy your family.

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Sep 07, 2017 17:09 |  #9

I'm thinking the 6D with the 50 f1.8 stm and the 85mm f1.8 are your best picks, if you want to stay with the menus system of Canon. JMHO.


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Sep 07, 2017 18:51 |  #10

200d + 135L is way out of what you're used to shooting, honestly a bad idea.

get a 6D, 50 stm and 85 usm.

anything with the 135L and I suspect you'll end up leaving it at home. That's a sizeable lens compared to NEX anything. You want more blur, get a bigger sensor.


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Sep 07, 2017 19:10 |  #11

My advice, start with a 6D and the new EF 50 f1.8 with a hood to protect the front. Forget the manual focus lens, kids will not stay in one place for a a few seconds, you will end up getting frustrated...


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Sep 07, 2017 19:15 |  #12

The photo you posted is a tough one too. Harsh light, backlit. You can mitigate these things with umbrellas, reflectors, etc. but try to keep it simple first. Make sure your subject is not backlit. Try to take your shots earlier in the day or later in the evening.

Once you get the hang of it, buy a flash and umbrella kit and read the strobist website on how to modify light. It's the single most important thing you can do to enhance your photography. It's all about manipulating light.


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Sep 08, 2017 06:36 as a reply to MalVeauX's post |  #13

Wow at your pics! Just beautiful and exactly the kind of look I am going for. Thanks for taking the time to send such a long response.




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Anita8L
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Sep 08, 2017 06:41 |  #14

Thanks for all the responses. I will price all of the suggestions and see what works out best for me.




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Sep 08, 2017 06:48 as a reply to Scrumhalf's post |  #15

Thanks so much for the help, I see what you mean about the backlight, not well thought out of by me.




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