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George ­ Zip
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Sep 12, 2017 21:35 |  #1

With the release of the Nikon 850, I had brief camera envy compared to the 5D mark4. For the first time I contemplated changing brands. The 850 looks like a hell of a camera. Sanity prevailed and realised the 5d4 is a beautiful camera and another camera is not going to make me any better and the differences for what I do is not going give me any extra.

Anyway... the point of the post was, for the first time I checked out the cost of Nikon Lenses. I was shocked that they were quite a bit more expensive. I am looking in Australia but it seem that they are 20-25% dearer than canon equivalents with your mainstays like the 24-70 and the 70-200. I can't imagine they would be better. It struck me as a major consideration if you were to change to another brand like Nikon. The lens differential in cost seems to be quite substantial.




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Sep 12, 2017 22:46 |  #2

When I went from film to digital in about 2008, I had to start all over again. In my previous life I shot Yashica bodies and C/Y-mount lenses. Starting fresh made me analyze what was then available. I went with Canon because I felt that Canon had better quality lenses, and sold them at lower prices. Almost 10 years and way over $10,000 in gear puts me way too far down the rabbit-hole to switch brands now.

Nikon would have to give me stuff to get me to use it. Besides, Nikon cameras are just plain ugly. My brother shoots Nikon. He is happy with it.


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Phoenixkh
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Sep 12, 2017 23:06 |  #3

A few bird rookeries around here get lots of people from around the world in the Spring. Most of us shoot either Canon or Nikon. At this point, though there are subtle differences, anyone can get stellar photographs with either.

I did meet one woman who uses a smaller mirrorless Panasonic set up for her by another wildlife photographer. Her set-up gave her 12 FPS @ a FOV of 1200mm. I saw some of her work... pretty interesting stuff. I have her card at the house with her website and the guy's name who put her gear together.

But as I said.... that is rare. I see everything from 70-200 lenses to 800mm lenses hanging off Canons or Nikons. Most of us aren't fan boys, but have our reasons why we chose one over the other.

I started out with a small Canon point and shoot that I used for real estate photographs. I just stayed with Canon. I didn't do much research until I moved from the very fine G12 to the 60D. By then, I had stumbled upon POTN and the very fine people here guided me along the path.


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Sep 13, 2017 01:27 |  #4

canon lenses are better and the 5d4 is better at hi ISOs, which is a big deal to me.


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Sep 13, 2017 03:20 |  #5

ed rader wrote in post #18450956 (external link)
canon lenses are better and the 5d4 is better at hi ISOs, which is a big deal to me.

Can't comment on lense comparisons obviously..... But the canon Lenses are gorgeous. The 70-200 2.8 LII is just beautiful. The 24-70 2.8 II is amazingly sharp.

Re: the high ISO, I agree. I accidentally captured an image at 32000 ( I had left my SS to high) I was amazed how good it looked. I can post that image if anyone is interested.




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Sep 13, 2017 11:14 |  #6

ed rader wrote in post #18450956 (external link)
canon lenses are better and the 5d4 is better at hi ISOs, which is a big deal to me.

An absolute "better/worse" global judgement of lenses is obviously nonsense.
Some Nikon lenses are optically better than Canon's equivalent, and vice-versa.
Canon has some specialty lenses that Nikon does not have, and vice-versa.

About the 5D4 being better than the D850, even at hi-ISO, I strongly doubt it.


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Sep 13, 2017 11:35 as a reply to CheshireCat's post |  #7

put your anger aside and read some reviews. regarding noise 850 is no improvement on 810 https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ (external link).

and if you think Nikon 70-200, 16-35, 24-70, or 80-400 are better than the canons you are in the minority.


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Sep 13, 2017 11:45 |  #8

I'll be honest, I don't think I'd ever run up against the limitations in either the 5D IV or the D850..... unless you're talking FPS. I can see where a dedicated landscape photographer who isn't using a medium format camera would love the dynamic range of the D850.... though we'll know more over time... as we get reports after the D850 has been in the field for a while.

I think both are excellent all-around cameras. I have read reviews of both. I'd still rather shoot a 1D X2 than either of them..... but I have a limited budget.

Anyway, I wish I knew who posted on POTN so I could give them credit, but someone here said: if you aren't getting good results with today's DSLRs, you are doing something wrong. Both Nikon and Canon make excellent products.. both lenses and camera bodies. We use what we use. It's a choice.


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Sep 13, 2017 11:49 as a reply to Phoenixkh's post |  #9

some people like to pick and choose features and lenses between the various camera companies and make themselves miserable instead of enjoying what they have. if I weren't shooting canon I would be shooting Nikon and I bet the end results would be similar.


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Sep 13, 2017 11:54 |  #10

ed rader wrote in post #18451294 (external link)
some people like to pick and choose features and lenses between the various camera companies and make themselves miserable instead of enjoying what they have. if I weren't shooting canon I would be shooting Nikon and I bet the end results would be similar.

I couldn't agree more. I can't afford the very best Canon has to offer.... but I'm sure having a blast with what I have. I'm fortunate. I mostly take photos of birds and other assorted wildlife. I can get fairly close to them here in Florida so my 100-400ii is usually long enough.

Would I love to have a 1D X2 along with a couple super telephotos? Sure.... but I really do enjoy the gear I have now.


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Sep 13, 2017 12:26 |  #11

ed rader wrote in post #18451294 (external link)
some people like to pick and choose features and lenses between the various camera companies and make themselves miserable instead of enjoying what they have. if I weren't shooting canon I would be shooting Nikon and I bet the end results would be similar.

I shoot both and your right, the results are so close as to be no longer an issue. The one difference I do see is in processing workflow. I find the Nikon workflow for what I shoot is simpler and requires less tweaking.


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Sep 13, 2017 12:26 |  #12

Nikon's current price structure seems to be introducing the newest version at a high price, rather then lowering the price of the previous. That and the hit I'd take selling my Canon gear, are some factors for why it would take a lot to switch. Having said that, the D850 looks like a stellar camera


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Sep 13, 2017 15:10 |  #13

ed rader wrote in post #18451272 (external link)
put your anger aside

What anger ?

regarding noise 850 is no improvement on 810 https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ (external link).

With 45MP, that is a great achievement.
And it is still better than the 5D4, as the D850 sensor has very similar performance to the Sony A7R2.

and if you think Nikon 70-200, 16-35, 24-70, or 80-400 are better than the canons you are in the minority.

I have heard that the latest Nikon 70-200/2.8 is better than the latest Canon, but I have never shot with it.
In any case, a global judgment of Nikon vs Canon lens lineup is naive, to say the least.


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Sep 13, 2017 15:47 |  #14

high iso will be a wash, 50% more resolution will be a bigger difference.
tilt screen is also huge, but lack of PDAF.....
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ISO 64

those are the biggest difference.

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Sep 13, 2017 16:18 |  #15

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18451284 (external link)
I'll be honest, I don't think I'd ever run up against the limitations in either the 5D IV or the D850..... unless you're talking FPS. I can see where a dedicated landscape photographer who isn't using a medium format camera would love the dynamic range of the D850.... though we'll know more over time... as we get reports after the D850 has been in the field for a while.

I think both are excellent all-around cameras. I have read reviews of both. I'd still rather shoot a 1D X2 than either of them..... but I have a limited budget.

Anyway, I wish I knew who posted on POTN so I could give them credit, but someone here said: if you aren't getting good results with today's DSLRs, you are doing something wrong. Both Nikon and Canon make excellent products.. both lenses and camera bodies. We use what we use. It's a choice.

I agree with that. Canon, Nikon Sony etc... All make great cameras. It's pretty hard to wrong with any of them.

My initial interest in the 850 was a practical one. It's like you can have a full frame and crop in one. Like the 5DS/R... But without the limitations of the 5DS.

But the ridiculous pissing contests over pushing 5 stops in post are just stupid. If you are doing that you need to look at yourself IMO. I can't recall ever pushing more than two stops in post and as I have gotten better, it's usually just a tweak rather than anything major.




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