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Oct 03, 2017 17:42 |  #31

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E) The few remaining pics show a similar bokeh to those posted. But in fairness, the background was green leaves in full sunlight, so maybe not the best of conditions.

If you make your living shooting weddings, green leaf backgrounds, in full sunlight, is exactly what you deal with all the time (at least in 'summer' months) - and should in no way, and I don't see it in your photos, be a negative. I see more sharpness (expected and good), more micro contrast (excellent), you can learn to play with sunlight greens in LR and make them look really good (you didn't so not judging you here - this is easily done) - it is the bizarre magenta on the blond hair that has me disappointed (even though I have learned to never judge any specific picture)

He is a picture with a blonde with sunlight greens with the 85 1.2 @ F1.4 (yes processed) - and while in SOOC there might have been CA, with processing and with a good LR profile, it is eliminated - but that crazy magenta blond tips as posted earlier is not good - what I would personally pay a small fortune for is a sharper lens than I have shown in the picture below, with excellent AF, great IS, and supreme rendering bokeh.

I'm still holding out hope for this new lens because of the IS and the modern micro contrast - but to me, the new Tamron can be shot wide open at F1.8 and is more than good enough - unless this new lens completely rocks like the 35Lii.

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And here is what a modern 85 VC lens looks like, and what Canon 85 1.4 IS lens is going to be price shopped against - yes this picture is at F2.8, but if you are shooting portraits / weddings etc, with high megapixel cameras that 'need' IS lenses, this is what is already out there from Tamron (and I say this as a Canon colour space fanboy)

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Hockey and wedding photographer. Favourite camera / lens combos: a 1DX II with a Tamron 45 1.8 VC, an A7Rii with a Canon 24-70F2.8L II, and a 5DSR with a Tamron 85 1.8 VC. Every lens I own I strongly recommend [Canon (35Lii, 100L Macro, 24-70F2.8ii, 70-200F2.8ii, 100-400Lii), Tamron (45 1.8, 85 1.8), Sigma 24-105]. If there are better lenses out there let me know because I haven't found them.

  
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Oct 03, 2017 19:02 |  #32

ya wasn't the best... leaves w/ sunlight kind of bokeh is the harshest of them all.


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Oct 03, 2017 22:47 |  #33

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Oct 15, 2017 01:31 |  #34

I can't wait for proper reviews from TDP and Dustin Abbott!

I still have the Sigma 85mm EX version and the Art version didn't interest me enough to sell those lens but I'm very likely going the get this new 85L :D

Prices are quite high from what I've seen here (AUD) so I'll probably sit for the price to drop a bit too.


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Oct 15, 2017 03:20 |  #35

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I can't wait for proper reviews from TDP and Dustin Abbott!

I still have the Sigma 85mm EX version and the Art version didn't interest me enough to sell those lens but I'm very likely going the get this new 85L :D

Prices are quite high from what I've seen here (AUD) so I'll probably sit for the price to drop a bit too.

I was torn on getting the new Canon 85mm 1.4 IS

An interesting twist, I ended up getting the new Tamron 85mm 1.8 VC ... plus Tamron's recent 90mm macro. Months ago I wanted the Sigma Art 85mm. Then heard of the Canon. While researching lenses, I read and saw samples of the Tamron.

Turns out Dustin Abbott was actually comparing the Tamron 85mm 1.8 with Zeiss Otus in his reviews ... partially. Said Tamron is sharper in the edges. And he said the lens keeps some "soul" ...

Anyhow, I'd still love to own the new Canon 85mm when it comes out. But I'm keeping my 85mm 1.2 ... but for the cost of what the announced lens would be, I've got a new 85mm & 90mm & Flashpoint 600 light ..


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Oct 15, 2017 17:02 |  #36

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I was torn on getting the new Canon 85mm 1.4 IS

An interesting twist, I ended up getting the new Tamron 85mm 1.8 VC ... plus Tamron's recent 90mm macro. Months ago I wanted the Sigma Art 85mm. Then heard of the Canon. While researching lenses, I read and saw samples of the Tamron.

Turns out Dustin Abbott was actually comparing the Tamron 85mm 1.8 with Zeiss Otus in his reviews ... partially. Said Tamron is sharper in the edges. And he said the lens keeps some "soul" ...

Anyhow, I'd still love to own the new Canon 85mm when it comes out. But I'm keeping my 85mm 1.2 ... but for the cost of what the announced lens would be, I've got a new 85mm & 90mm & Flashpoint 600 light ..

I'm quite happy the Sigma EX version and the AF is very accurate on my 6DII, I just know the modern Canon lens would likely better it in the AF department. The IS is also a big factor for me since I'm not the steadiest of people. I can easily use my 100L at 1/50th so hopefully the 85L IS offers similar performance.


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Oct 15, 2017 17:23 |  #37

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I'm quite happy the Sigma EX version and the AF is very accurate on my 6DII, I just know the modern Canon lens would likely better it in the AF department. The IS is also a big factor for me since I'm not the steadiest of people. I can easily use my 100L at 1/50th so hopefully the 85L IS offers similar performance.

From what I experienced today, and the reviews mentioned, i think the Tamron 85mm with VC (IS) available now for less than half the cost of Canon may close to match it, but for half the price. Although, one is 1.8 and the other to be 1.4

I used to have the Sigma 85mm that you own now and loved it. My mentor bought it, and I almost bought it back from him. But I very much enjoy IS, and now all my lenses have IS / VC except my 50mm 1.2 and 85mm 1/2


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Oct 15, 2017 19:06 |  #38

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From what I experienced today, and the reviews mentioned, i think the Tamron 85mm with VC (IS) available now for less than half the cost of Canon may close to match it, but for half the price. Although, one is 1.8 and the other to be 1.4

I used to have the Sigma 85mm that you own now and loved it. My mentor bought it, and I almost bought it back from him. But I very much enjoy IS, and now all my lenses have IS / VC except my 50mm 1.2 and 85mm 1/2

I'm surprised you even have the Tamron and consider the 85l IS when you have the f/1.2 :P

The original sigma is a really great lens and I regret selling the 50mm f/1.4 EX so I don't want to make that same mistake with the 85mm!


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Oct 15, 2017 19:43 |  #39

Original sigma 85 was good. However the art is leaps and bounds better. But bigger.

Lots of options for sure now... too many


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Oct 15, 2017 19:46 |  #40

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Original sigma 85 was good. However the art is leaps and bounds better. But bigger.

Lots of options for sure now... too many

I remember reading in the thread for the 85Art, you mentioned the center sharpness was almost the same but corners were much better. Does that still hold true?

I know the weight and size would put me off regardless of IQ.


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Oct 15, 2017 19:58 as a reply to  @ Dlee13's post |  #41

no it's pretty significant jump and the AF is faster and more reliable so that ends up making a bigger difference. I keep telling everyone the 85A matches the sharpness/colors that the 200/2 gives.


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Oct 15, 2017 21:02 |  #42

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If you make your living shooting weddings, green leaf backgrounds, in full sunlight, is exactly what you deal with all the time (at least in 'summer' months) - and should in no way, and I don't see it in your photos, be a negative. I see more sharpness (expected and good), more micro contrast (excellent), you can learn to play with sunlight greens in LR and make them look really good (you didn't so not judging you here - this is easily done) - it is the bizarre magenta on the blond hair that has me disappointed (even though I have learned to never judge any specific picture)

He is a picture with a blonde with sunlight greens with the 85 1.2 @ F1.4 (yes processed) - and while in SOOC there might have been CA, with processing and with a good LR profile, it is eliminated - but that crazy magenta blond tips as posted earlier is not good - what I would personally pay a small fortune for is a sharper lens than I have shown in the picture below, with excellent AF, great IS, and supreme rendering bokeh.

I'm still holding out hope for this new lens because of the IS and the modern micro contrast - but to me, the new Tamron can be shot wide open at F1.8 and is more than good enough - unless this new lens completely rocks like the 35Lii.

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And here is what a modern 85 VC lens looks like, and what Canon 85 1.4 IS lens is going to be price shopped against - yes this picture is at F2.8, but if you are shooting portraits / weddings etc, with high megapixel cameras that 'need' IS lenses, this is what is already out there from Tamron (and I say this as a Canon colour space fanboy)

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IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Z41Y​6A  (external link) emily (external link) by Paul O'Neil (external link), on Flickr


I hate to say this BUT

If this is new the 85 1.4 L wide open......Go buy the sigma...its kicks this in the butt all day long and 3 times on Sundays


This is the art at F/1.6 straight off camera capture
Its even better with a tighter shot at 1.4


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Oct 15, 2017 21:12 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #43

Funny enough I got a real good copy of the 85mm so AF is no issue for me. I think sooner or later I will make the upgrade to the 85L IS, I just hope it's a much better size and weight than the 85 Art


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Oct 15, 2017 21:41 |  #44

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I hate to say this BUT

If this is new the 85 1.4 L wide open......Go buy the sigma...its kicks this in the butt all day long and 3 times on Sundays

This is the art at F/1.6 straight off camera capture
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The art really handles a busy background great.


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Oct 15, 2017 22:29 |  #45

umphotography wrote in post #18473555 (external link)
I hate to say this BUT

If this is new the 85 1.4 L wide open......Go buy the sigma...its kicks this in the butt all day long and 3 times on Sundays

This is the art at F/1.6 straight off camera capture
Its even better with a tighter shot at 1.4

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The Sigma 85mm Art isn't grand, but it's pretty good. At least a 7/10 on Bokeh and 9.5/10 for focus (in a good copy). That sample looks super sharp in the foreground.

Dlee13 wrote in post #18473481 (external link)
I'm surprised you even have the Tamron and consider the 85l IS when you have the f/1.2 :P

The original sigma is a really great lens and I regret selling the 50mm f/1.4 EX so I don't want to make that same mistake with the 85mm!

There's certain locations and times where the 85mm 1.2 L's focusing doesn't seem to be the right tool in the drawer. But it's stellar when I choose to use it.

Here's a test shot from today. Another photographer in a nearby park. He moved after I focused. But I wanted to share this to show the bokeh of Tamron's 85mm 1.8 VC. This photo is completely as-is aside from cropping and resize to 1100 pixels wide. No change to color, brightness, etc..


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