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mdripper
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Oct 14, 2017 08:05 |  #1

What are the odds that Canon comes out with a FF mirrorless EF mount body that shoots at least 10fps, has duel pixel Af for video, killer stills AF and a tilt screen? Sooooo basically a Canon A9 hahaha. The 1DX II would be perfect but I need a smaller lighter package to fit on a handheld gimbal at times.


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Oct 14, 2017 08:14 |  #2

Don't hold your breath.

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Oct 14, 2017 08:32 |  #3

Your expectations of weight savings... overexpectation?
Difference between A9 and 5DIV is 7.4 oz., and then you still need an adapter to space the Canon lens forward because the lens itself does not position the Canon optics the proper distance from the sensor for its FL rating, further reducing any weight advantage by another 1-2 oz.


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Oct 14, 2017 09:56 as a reply to Wilt's post |  #4

I'm confused by your comment. Weight different between an A9 and a 1DX II is 673 grams for the A9 to 1530 grams for the 1DX. that enough of a difference. Not sure where you got a 5d my iv from. Also I use a 3 axis gimbal which won't support a 1DX but would support an A9 which is why it would be great if canon released such a camera so I wouldn't have to sell all of my canon gear,l and lose money in the process switching to Sony. I'd even be fine if canon had a Nikon D850 competitor.


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Oct 14, 2017 10:28 |  #5

what's wrong with just going with the A9 or the upcoming A7III?


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Oct 14, 2017 10:31 as a reply to gjl711's post |  #6

I'm close but it would be way easier and cheaper if I could keep my canon glass. I've read the adapters hurt performance and aren't very reliable.


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Oct 14, 2017 12:05 |  #7

mdripper wrote in post #18472457 (external link)
I'm confused by your comment. Weight different between an A9 and a 1DX II is 673 grams for the A9 to 1530 grams for the 1DX. that enough of a difference. Not sure where you got a 5d my iv from. Also I use a 3 axis gimbal which won't support a 1DX but would support an A9 which is why it would be great if canon released such a camera so I wouldn't have to sell all of my canon gear,l and lose money in the process switching to Sony. I'd even be fine if canon had a Nikon D850 competitor.

His point is that a DSLR body isn't that much lighter by itself, a 1DX is intentionally large due to the vertical grip integration.

mdripper wrote in post #18472477 (external link)
I'm close but it would be way easier and cheaper if I could keep my canon glass. I've read the adapters hurt performance and aren't very reliable.

It would be a few hundred bucks cheaper since you wouldn't need the Sigma or Metabones adapter, but being Canon their camera would cost hundreds more than the Sony anyway, so really the "cheaper" argument is void. As for adapters hurting performance and being unreliable... I don't think that's the case anymore. My friend uses Canon glass on his a6500 all the time and loves it.

I seriously don't get people's desire for an EF mount MILC... that defeats the purpose of going mirrorless. Canon already has an excellent EF to EF-M adapter, and it's cheap. They've already proven that tech, there's zero reason to make an EF mount MILC, if they did make it it'd be entirely because of poorly informed consumers having an inherent bias against their own EF adapters. They could even sell the adapter with the camera, if all you use is EF glass than just leave the adapter permanently attached.


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Oct 14, 2017 12:11 |  #8

How long to you want to wait?

Its widely speculated that an announcement will occur at Photokina 2018 which is late September 2018. But the announcement often precedes the actual hardware by a few months, so you are likely looking at a year, more or less.




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Oct 14, 2017 12:44 |  #9

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18472534 (external link)
His point is that a DSLR body isn't that much lighter by itself, a 1DX is intentionally large due to the vertical grip integration.

You got my point, exactly.


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Oct 15, 2017 14:11 |  #10

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18472534 (external link)
His point is that a DSLR body isn't that much lighter by itself, a 1DX is intentionally large due to the vertical grip integration.

It would be a few hundred bucks cheaper since you wouldn't need the Sigma or Metabones adapter, but being Canon their camera would cost hundreds more than the Sony anyway, so really the "cheaper" argument is void. As for adapters hurting performance and being unreliable... I don't think that's the case anymore. My friend uses Canon glass on his a6500 all the time and loves it.

I seriously don't get people's desire for an EF mount MILC... that defeats the purpose of going mirrorless. Canon already has an excellent EF to EF-M adapter, and it's cheap. They've already proven that tech, there's zero reason to make an EF mount MILC, if they did make it it'd be entirely because of poorly informed consumers having an inherent bias against their own EF adapters. They could even sell the adapter with the camera, if all you use is EF glass than just leave the adapter permanently attached.

I agree, it seems pointless to use the EF mount when a good adaptor can be made, if they were clever the mount would have identical pins to EF lenses. It seems fairly simple however there is I hope a decent reason why they can not do it via a dumb tube, I presume the lenses in existence tell the camera what they are. Whatever Canon or Nikon for that matter it has to be an extremely good camera at least on par with whatever others are available on the market, oh and a good few lenses on launch.


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Oct 15, 2017 14:58 |  #11

mdripper wrote in post #18472477 (external link)
I'm close but it would be way easier and cheaper if I could keep my canon glass. I've read the adapters hurt performance and aren't very reliable.

Adapted lenses perform really well with the a9's AF system. Very close to native, and they recently added eye-AF with adapted lens via the latest firmware.

I've shot a couple weddings with the 24-70II on the a9 and it worked perfectly.


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Oct 15, 2017 23:26 |  #12

^Wow! I did not know that. Is that inclusive of other sony bodies as well or just the a9. ive been itching for a a7r2 for quite a long time. Eye Af and IS on all my lenses not to mention higher pixel count better DR and a smaller body/lens combo when needed.


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Oct 16, 2017 08:49 |  #13

elitejp wrote in post #18473635 (external link)
^Wow! I did not know that. Is that inclusive of other sony bodies as well or just the a9. ive been itching for a a7r2 for quite a long time. Eye Af and IS on all my lenses not to mention higher pixel count better DR and a smaller body/lens combo when needed.

The a9 (for now). PDAF system got a nice upgrade with the a9 so adapted glass works really well. Video focus is very good too, and behaves like dual pixel in terms of creating that smooth pull focus. All rumors seem to indicate that the MKIII bodies will inherit the a9 AF system so I suspect that this will be the case for newer bodies going forward.


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Oct 16, 2017 22:14 as a reply to mystik610's post |  #14

Yeah didnt know that! Thats huge!


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Oct 24, 2017 19:21 |  #15

FF mirrorless? I'd say fairly likely. The only problem is Canon is #1...and has been for a long time IIRC. So there's no need to rush into it. They'll do it eventually I'm sure, who knows when though.

FF Mirrorless, EF mount , 10fps etc etc like you want? Again, possible...but first you need FF mirrorless. EF mount I'd say would be less likely but I suppose anything is possible.

I doubt they'll start making any really innovative products until they're in danger of losing a big chunk of marketshare. Nikon tried with the awesome sensors and hi res, hi DR cameras...and I'm sure it was noticed by Canon...but not enough for them to break a sweat. Sony is doing the same, but still not really a threat. Until there is a real threat Canon can just move at their own pace and slowly drizzle out new tech as necessary.




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