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trying full-frame on family shoot - which Canon body?

 
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Nov 10, 2017 08:48 |  #31

Received my 5D3 and 35 1.4 2 from lensrentals yesterday. I did the MFA - it was off only a tad. It was spot on with my 70-200 and the 35mm I received seemed to be back-focusing by maybe an inch or so at close range, but at far range it was front-focusing a bit, so I just left it at zero and played around with it around the house for a bit.

Holy cow. You guys were right. Renting this setup was a mistake. I want it! Bokeh is beautiful and totally hides my messy house. ISO 3200 is really clean... I won't exceed that on my 70D because it just looks terrible beyond about 800 or so (and very noticeable way before that). This lets me add a lot more sharpening and avoid noise reduction which I don't really like. The narrow DOF is fun to isolate and add some depth to the images.

Here's a few quick snaps from last night. No judging, I'm just a hobbyist, haha. Ok fine, C&C welcome :)

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/38267077732_fd9f0d23a5.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21iw​M1h] (external link)585A8107 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4516/26523889849_d0e3bf561d.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GpPS​nF] (external link)585A8136 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4570/38244022546_e7156be090.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21gu​Bv5] (external link)585A8094 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/GpPU​kP] (external link)585A8126 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

Trying a few shots with the fam tonight and tomorrow afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes. It's crazy cold here all of a sudden so there will be some outdoors and some indoors.



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Nov 10, 2017 08:54 |  #32

I think I can help you with your 70D noise, I have a thread or two about how to manage the 7D (and 60D/70D/etc) at higher ISOs somewhere here on POTN. All I can say is don't rent the 5D4... if you like the 5D3 that much.

ISO 3200 on the 7D, you should be able to use the 70D well beyond ISO 800.

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Nov 10, 2017 08:56 |  #33

Nice shots. I'll search around for that. Thanks.




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Nov 10, 2017 08:59 |  #34

Found it...
http://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?t=1​079217


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Nov 11, 2017 09:17 |  #35

Quick update. Had my first session last night and got a few keepers. Made a serious rookie mistake though, left the aperture wide open for the group shots from the tripod. Looks great for the kiddo in front, but everyone else is blown out of focus. On my gear that wouldn't have been an issue, lol! Oops. Better luck this afternoon.

Here's a few, but I might adjust the editing on some:

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/38268955356_8e7f41fe64_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21iG​pa7] (external link)585A0099 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4516/38324147611_4d886f9ce2_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21oz​gTH] (external link)585A0168 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Zikm​iy] (external link)585A0204 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21kL​83y] (external link)585A0246 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21kL​4Hs] (external link)585A0368 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

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[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/Ziky​RQ] (external link)585A0419-2 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr



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Nov 11, 2017 09:25 |  #36

jamsomito wrote in post #18493931 (external link)
Quick update. Had my first session last night and got a few keepers. Made a serious rookie mistake though, left the aperture wide open for the group shots from the tripod. Looks great for the kiddo in front, but everyone else is blown out of focus. On my gear that wouldn't have been an issue, lol! Oops. Better luck this afternoon.

it's totally doable, just have to keep in mind the arrangement and stay in a straight line. Sometimes having something on the floor and everyone on the line helps.

Groups with 85/135 wide open can be done and have much more blur factor :-)


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Nov 11, 2017 15:07 |  #37

OP,

My suggestion with FF is that you must look at the DOF required. A small group shot it can be risky shooting f/4. If your shooting a group shot in available light just be aware of the iso and shutter speed as you reduce the aperture. Motion blur is totally unacceptable if "motion" is not intended to be part of the story telling. Available light and shooting AV mode you must be aware of the settings that change "automatically"

This is where I find shooting my Fuji X-t2 or Canon 80D to be an easier sensor to shoot with. The dof is much more forgiving and you can just roll with it as you know you will not get the shallow dof of a full frame.

The images you are showing you can reduce the highlights as the image is blooming a bit. LR you can reduce highlights buy sliding the slider to the left. Please understand I'm just trying to help........

I'm very happy with my 5dmk3. It really works well for majority of my shooting needs. Teamspeed is true to mention that the 5dmk4 is a different beast in IQ and overall performance. However the 5d3 is a true workhorse.


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Nov 11, 2017 19:51 |  #38

No worries at all, I appreciate the tips. I know what you're saying about DOF. Part of the reason for renting this setup was to experiment with that specifically. I could have easily set it to f/8 to be safe, but that wasn't the look I was after this time around. I did back down to f/2.8 on tonights shoot though. It was just enough to get everyone in focus, but I wish I could have used the full aperture range for even more subject isolation. Here's an example:

IMAGE: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4574/38346652591_ab294aac92_c.jpg
[IMAGE'S LINK: https://flic.kr/p/21qy​BQB] (external link)585A0481 (external link) by J Horton (external link), on Flickr

About the highlights - which images were you referring to? Possibly #1 and #5? #1 was pretty much straight into the sun and I've already got highlights all the way down and shadows all the way up so there wasn't much I could do about that one. I can't seem to get #5 right though. It's like it's over exposed or they're in direct light when I don't believe either to be true. I'll have to revisit that one. If I recall, it was about half way on both the highlight and shadow recovery.

I took a few shots tonight on both my 70D and 5D. I admit, I do see some grain on the 5D after my honeymoon on the first night I had it, but going back to an ISO 1600 shot on my 70D from tonight made it stand out like a sore thumb. *sigh* can't have it all I guess. Really enjoying the 5D while it's here.



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Nov 11, 2017 19:57 |  #39

If you exposed well enough on the 70D at ISO 1600, that noise is easily removed while leaving detail behind. Another tip is to only look at the 70D images at about 70-80%. No need for 100% unless you are cropping something out.... What you see at 70% will be close to what you see on print in regards to noise.


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Nov 11, 2017 19:59 |  #40

I admit I am a bit of a pixel peeper... You're right.




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Nov 11, 2017 20:07 |  #41

Jamsomito,

35mm on full frame at F1.4 will easily handle a two row family photo that is full body. At 10 feet, that's about 2 feet of DOF, which gives lots of room for the environment, and plenty of room for a group like a family and 2 feet should be enough for two rows with kids if no one is really moving forward/backward. So you can get what you want, at F1.4, with some room for safety. Just make sure the background is distant from you, and you'll have isolation.

F2 gives you 3 feet in the above example.
F2.8 gives you over 4 feet of DOF in the above example. Way more than you need.

If the look you're after is self-portrait with family with shallow depth of field, the 35mm will do it fine if you want a short working distance. If you're ok with longer working distance, a longer telephoto will do the job with an easier control of how fast depth of field falls off. 85mm takes more working distance for a group, but I think you'd get what you're after easily without worry with 85mm at F2.8 basically.

Just remember, the key is the distant background, not just having a fast focal-ratio.

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Nov 11, 2017 20:15 |  #42

Makes sense. I was nowhere near having those numbers figured out though, so thanks for the guidelines. I'm totally fine with some distance since I have an IR remote for shutter, but I can't check results without going to the camera, obviously, and when that happens, all bets are off for the kids. Not the ideal scenario for learning new equipment I suppose.

I posted a long time ago asking for portrait advice, doing a session with my wife. That's finally happening tomorrow, just the 2 of us, so I'll have a bit more time for practice and ironing out those details. It's a long-awaited photo-filled weekend :)




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Nov 11, 2017 20:53 |  #43

jamsomito wrote in post #18494290 (external link)
I admit I am a bit of a pixel peeper... You're right.


I use to be a pixel peeper but now I just get critical only when I buy new camera's and micro adjust to my lenses or if I buy new lenses.

I did an experiment in the summer where evening killed the light and I wanted to take a small group photo of my relatives from out of town. The image was quite noisy with my 16-35 f/2.8mk2 at 2.8 with uncomfortably high iso (no flash). The image was noisy but I had it printed 5x7 and it looked absolutely perfect.

If I had my 5dmk3 the image would have been without a doubt cleaner but sometimes you just need to shoot in a bad situation.


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