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Oct 21, 2017 20:50 |  #1

After lugging my Canon DSLR gear on multiple hikes, I've decided to save my back and legs, and switch to mirrorless for the long treks.

Currently have the Canon M5, 11-22, and 22 lenses, with the eos-m adapter if needed. But looking at potentially replacing that with the xt20 + 10-18 + 18-55 kit lens.

Thoughts and suggestions?

By the way, my usual travel gear is the 5d4, 16-35 is, and 70-200 f4 is.


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Oct 26, 2017 22:42 |  #2

Your joints will love you after the switch.

For a hike the X-T20 seems like the right fit. If you haven’t already done it go test it out to make sure the ergonomics work for you.


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Oct 26, 2017 22:55 |  #3

What is the M5 not doing for you that you think the Fuji might?


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Oct 28, 2017 08:20 |  #4

After two hiking trips in the Grand Canyon lugging my Canon gear I made the switch and so glad I did. Hiking and landscape photography are a perfect combination of my favorite two hobbies. That said how much weight you carry on your back is a concern. Especially like someplace in the Grand Canyon with the drastic elevation changes. Before each trip I literally weigh everything to the ounce. My Canon gear was usually between 10-12 pounds by the time you toss in a couple spare batteries, a lens or two, plus a sturdy enough tripod. Making the switch to the XT2 cut the weight down to 4-6 pounds. Not only was the camera half the weight but now I could go with a lighter tripod. Obviously you will do the technical comparison but from a backpacking weight perspective, I'm so glad I made the switch!



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Oct 28, 2017 08:24 |  #5

Here's an inspirational shot for you from last September atop the Continental Divide in the San Juan mountains in SW Colorado outside Durango. As an aside, the next day we got 2 feet of snow while going over 13,000 feet and the XT1 (got the XT2 after this trip) did great...wish I could say the same for my toes...mild frostbite!!!

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Oct 28, 2017 23:53 |  #6

Ming-Tzu wrote in post #18477948 (external link)
After lugging my Canon DSLR gear on multiple hikes, I've decided to save my back and legs, and switch to mirrorless for the long treks.

Currently have the Canon M5, 11-22, and 22 lenses, with the eos-m adapter if needed. But looking at potentially replacing that with the xt20 + 10-18 + 18-55 kit lens.

Thoughts and suggestions?

By the way, my usual travel gear is the 5d4, 16-35 is, and 70-200 f4 is.

Just pick up an x-t20, 10-24 f/4IS UWA. The 55-200 is also a decent lens but I'll warn you the bokeh is ugly compared to a 70-200 f/4IS. There's alot of lenses to choose from in the Fuji world. So far my observation is that you must shoot at least f/18 or smaller to get sunbbursts or flash stars (indoor phtography using remote flash) with distinct points if you like that sorta thing.

Your m5 should have been able to create really nice images if you were shooting small apertures for landscape and other types of photography shooting wideopen. The Sensor is virtually the same as the 80D.

I love my fuji for alot of my photography. The 5dmk4 with 16-35 f/4IS is substantially faster in focus than the X-t2/x-t10 with 10-24mm but for most folks it probably wont matter. IQ wise I think the 5dmk4 with incredible 16-35 f/4IS cannot be matched in IQ by the fuji with 10-24mm but the Fuji will produce pleasant beautiful images. Infact small aperture images you'll find that the M5 and fuji system will have similar look ...almost canvas painting look.


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Oct 29, 2017 12:11 |  #7

AlanU wrote in post #18483622 (external link)
Just pick up an x-t20, 10-24 f/4IS UWA. The 55-200 is also a decent lens but I'll warn you the bokeh is ugly compared to a 70-200 f/4IS. There's alot of lenses to choose from in the Fuji world. So far my observation is that you must shoot at least f/18 or smaller to get sunbbursts or flash stars (indoor phtography using remote flash) with distinct points if you like that sorta thing.

Your m5 should have been able to create really nice images if you were shooting small apertures for landscape and other types of photography shooting wideopen. The Sensor is virtually the same as the 80D.

I love my fuji for alot of my photography. The 5dmk4 with 16-35 f/4IS is substantially faster in focus than the X-t2/x-t10 with 10-24mm but for most folks it probably wont matter. IQ wise I think the 5dmk4 with incredible 16-35 f/4IS cannot be matched in IQ by the fuji with 10-24mm but the Fuji will produce pleasant beautiful images. Infact small aperture images you'll find that the M5 and fuji system will have similar look ...almost canvas painting look.

Ugly according to who? I think it looks really good for a relatively slow long range zoom...

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OP; Try out an X-T20/E3 and 10-24mm + 18-55mm, I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised .

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Oct 29, 2017 12:18 |  #8

55-200 has nervous Bokeh when you have high contrast backgrounds.

It’s a very sharp lens but it’s not ideal in all circumstances. You get what you pay for and it’s great value for what you get. Variable aperture is not allowing you to have full creative control.

Even the $$$$ 50-140 is not known to be the best zooms in the world of photography for bokeh.


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Oct 29, 2017 12:38 |  #9

Ming-Tzu wrote in post #18477948 (external link)
After lugging my Canon DSLR gear on multiple hikes, I've decided to save my back and legs, and switch to mirrorless for the long treks.

Currently have the Canon M5, 11-22, and 22 lenses, with the eos-m adapter if needed. But looking at potentially replacing that with the xt20 + 10-18 + 18-55 kit lens.

Thoughts and suggestions?

By the way, my usual travel gear is the 5d4, 16-35 is, and 70-200 f4 is.

Heya,

Either system will net you some weight savings and size/volume savings, whether you stay with Canon's M series or add Fuji to the mix. The weight difference between the bodies is 100 grams between the two cameras. The Canon 11-22 is half the weight of the Fuji 10-24. Size wise, it's all similar (Fuji's lenses are a bit bigger by comparison in some aspects and weigh more), both are smaller compared to your 5D setup. So you're not saving weight really with the Fuji system (the glass is pretty heavy and construction is metal mostly).

Depends on what you want out of a new system compared to your current system, as you will not experience a weight savings nor size savings I don't think.

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Oct 29, 2017 12:55 |  #10

AlanU wrote in post #18483903 (external link)
55-200 has nervous Bokeh when you have high contrast backgrounds.

It’s a very sharp lens but it’s not ideal in all circumstances. You get what you pay for and it’s great value for what you get. Variable aperture is not allowing you to have full creative control.

Even the $$$$ 50-140 is not known to be the best zooms in the world of photography for bokeh.

I've personally always thought "nervous" was a bit of a silly word to use to describe the characteristics of a lens' bokeh, but I get what you're referring to. My question to you would be, have you actual used the 55-200mm or are you just regurgitating things you've heard about the lens? I spent a long time (as I do with every lens I buy) looking at people's pictures from the 55-200mm as well as reading reviews/opinions of the lens from people who owned it before I bought one. Rarely do I see images that I would consider to have distracting OOF areas, especially for a 70-300mm equivalent lens.

In the monkey picture I just posted above, that's a pretty contrasty background. It's plywood with a dark grain, just a few feet behind the subject. For f4.7, I'd say it looks pretty darn good.

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To my eyes there's little wrong with how this lens renders a background in the majority of scenarios.

Absolutely no lens is "ideal in all circumstances". Full creative control depends on the photographer, not the lens. Knowing your tools and how to get the best out of them is what matters. To some (like me) the added range of an extra 100mm of reach is more useful than 2/3 a stop of aperture (less than that if you compare equivalent ranges).

I haven't looked at nearly as many photos from the 50-140mm as I have from the 55-200mm, but from what I've seen the vast majority of it's shots have a very pleasing OOF area as well, so I'm again not seeing your point. What a lens is "known" for doesn't really mean jack to me if I consistently observe otherwise. One of my favorite lenses, the XF 18mm is "known" as a mediocre lens, why should that sway my own experiences with it (and clearly there are plenty of other shooters out there who agree with me given the 18mm's popularity)?

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Oct 29, 2017 14:14 |  #11

Hey all,

After some serious consideration, I am going to stick to the M5 + 11-22, and purchase the 18-150. Building a supplemental Fuji landscape kit is too expensive for me right now. Plus, when I compare the weights, the M5 kit is pretty light. Also need to purchase a lighter ball head (e.g. BH-25).


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Oct 29, 2017 14:19 |  #12

Ming-Tzu wrote in post #18484008 (external link)
Hey all,

After some serious consideration, I am going to stick to the M5 + 11-22, and purchase the 18-150. Building a supplemental Fuji landscape kit is too expensive for me right now. Plus, when I compare the weights, the M5 kit is pretty light. Also need to purchase a lighter ball head (e.g. BH-25).


Your M5 has dual pixel AF so imo your auto focus accuracy will still be much better than Fuji. The video AF with your M5 should put my X-t2 to shame. My 80D and 5dmk4 has fantastic AF in video mode but I'll say shooting Fuji presets in video mode I feel like a spoiled person holding an iPhone in Video mode with great "FACEBOOK" viewing qualities :)

Canon needs massaging imo if your talking about SOOC video viewing.


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Oct 29, 2017 19:55 |  #13

AlanU wrote in post #18483903 (external link)
Even the $$$$ 50-140 is not known to be the best zooms in the world of photography for bokeh.

That’s a thing? “Best zoom in the world for bokeh” sounds like Hyperbole, lol.




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Oct 29, 2017 21:48 |  #14

AlanU wrote in post #18483903 (external link)
Even the $$$$ 50-140 is not known to be the best zooms in the world of photography for bokeh.

Even mighty Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS II is not good as in that regard IMHO.

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I did like that EOS-M 11-22 when I had it.

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Oct 29, 2017 22:39 |  #15

AlanU wrote in post #18484014 (external link)
Your M5 has dual pixel AF so imo your auto focus accuracy will still be much better than Fuji. The video AF with your M5 should put my X-t2 to shame. My 80D and 5dmk4 has fantastic AF in video mode but I'll say shooting Fuji presets in video mode I feel like a spoiled person holding an iPhone in Video mode with great "FACEBOOK" viewing qualities :)

Canon needs massaging imo if your talking about SOOC video viewing.

Since when is anyone talking about video in this thread? Now I'm confused...


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