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Oct 22, 2017 00:21 |  #1

Well NOT really, instead they want the stuff banned from checked luggage...imagine being a working pro having multiple hard cases of gear that you would ordinarily check, but now you can't. Carry it all on board? Only if it fits carry size restrictions and/or weight limits, and it does not otherwise conflict with the 'one carry on plus one personal item' limitations already in place.

From Petapixel Oct. 20, 2017 article:

US Urging Airlines to Ban Cameras in Checked Bags


"The U.S. government is urging airlines around the world to ban cameras, laptops, and other large personal electronic devices from checked luggage, citing the risk of batteries causing catastrophic fires.

The Chicago Tribune reports that the recommendation was made in a paper that was recently filed with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), an agency that’s part of the U.N.

The FAA conducted tests that involved placing a heater against a fully-charged laptop’s lithium-ion battery, causing the battery’s temperature to continually rise. The agency found that overheating batteries and aerosol cans in close proximity to one another can cause fires and explosions in less than a minute — events that could bring down a passenger plane.

“It was concluded that if a [portable electronic device] is packed in a suitcase with an aerosol can and a thermal runaway event occurs, there is the potential for an aerosol can explosion,” the FAA writes. “The explosion itself may or may not be strong enough to structurally damage the aircraft, but in a Class C cargo compartment it will most likely compromise the Halon fire suppression system …

“The fire suppression system of the aircraft is then compromised, which could lead to the loss of the aircraft.”

Batteries packed with other permitted items such as rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, and nail polish remover also caused large fires. These fires can burn up to 1,100 °F (594 °C), close to the melting point of aircraft aluminum, and are responsible for 3 cargo jet crashes and 4 pilot deaths since 2006, the Associated Press says.

As a result of these findings, the FAA is recommending that electronics larger than a smartphone should be banned from checked luggage unless they’re specifically approved by the airline. Other major agencies and companies, including the European Safety Agency (the FAA’s European counterpart) and Airbus, agreed with the recommendation.

The ICAO is responsible for creating global airline safety standards, which may then be adopted by member countries and airlines. This proposed ban will be considered during an ICAO meeting within the next two weeks."

A working paper from the current meeting of the International Civil Aviation Organization was included with the article.

https://petapixel.com ...ban-cameras-checked-bags/ (external link)


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Oct 22, 2017 00:59 |  #2

OK, so suppose you cannot put stuff in checked luggage anymore. If you're not a working pro with tons of cases, your gear can be brought on as carry-on, can't it? But wait, there are already restrictions on carrying electronics larger than a smartphone in the airplane cabin if one is traveling to the US from one of ten different airports in the Middle East and North Africa. The UK has a similar ban in place. Discussions about doing this for ALL flights coming into the U.S. were kicked around, but shelved (for how long?!). What's a guy to do?


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Oct 22, 2017 02:29 |  #3

Not sure why they can't just require that batteries come out of the checked luggage. A battery-less camera and lenses are not going to catch on fire.


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Oct 23, 2017 15:43 |  #4

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18478075 (external link)
Not sure why they can't just require that batteries come out of the checked luggage. A battery-less camera and lenses are not going to catch on fire.

Hmm, that's talking common sense, can't do that can we!


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Oct 23, 2017 22:54 |  #5

Wilt wrote in post #18478045 (external link)
The FAA conducted tests that involved placing a heater against a fully-charged laptop’s lithium-ion battery

It would seem to me more sensible to ban heaters from flights...


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Oct 24, 2017 00:44 as a reply to joeseph's post |  #6

Good point...Cargo holds are typically COLD from the high altitude...whatterthey​doin, running HEATERS in them?!


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Oct 24, 2017 19:49 |  #7

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18478075 (external link)
Not sure why they can't just require that batteries come out of the checked luggage. A battery-less camera and lenses are not going to catch on fire.

Because about 73% of people wouldn't take them out, and going through peoples bags at check in would add about 3 hours to every flight. But I don't think this is the real reason they want to ban these electronics. I suspect it's cover for some serious intelligence concerns over explosives being included in checked electronics and they don't want to panic people.




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