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bobbyz
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Oct 31, 2017 18:32 |  #1

Since our work studio is small, I have been thinking of getting a wall mount system for holding 3 107" rolls. Looking for your experiences with these systems. I would also get cores for the paper rolls.


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Oct 31, 2017 20:30 |  #2

I use the Impact Varipole system from B&H with the 3 roll bracket and pulleys. I use the aluminum cores from Manfrotto since they come in 9' or 12' widths, and I have quite a few 10' and 12' muslin backdrops.
Also the expansion joint that holds the 2 halves of the Manfrotto crosspoles together are much stronger than the Impact branded ones.

System works very well and is extremely portable. I vary between shooting in my garage (10' ceiling) or my living room (15' ceiling), depending on need.
Also take it on location to clients homes. Very sturdy... I can hang studio strobes from the poles to side light the backdrops


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Oct 31, 2017 22:22 |  #3

I used them briefly in a friends studio and they are straight forward. He doesn't have the cores for stability so I roll and unroll slowly.




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Oct 31, 2017 22:29 |  #4

I like the idea of auto-poles. Then don't have to put up those holding brackets into studs but ceiling is kind of funky in our space as got different pipes running there and nothing else.


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Nov 01, 2017 18:44 |  #5

If my seamless are 107", I should go with 9' core?

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...Alu_Core_for_Uncore​d.html (external link)

How do you make sure the core of the seamless paper is tight on this and expan drives?

Saw this old thread about roll sagging. Anyone has comments/solutions.


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Nov 01, 2017 20:08 as a reply to bobbyz's post |  #6

The paper cores are a little loose on the aluminum. I use strips of tool drawer liner (very soft perforated rubber sheets I got from Harbor Freight, very inexpensive} wrapped around the aluminum at the left and right edges or the cardboard tubes. Gives great grip. Never have a problem rolling the BGs up. For the Muslin or canvas, I just slide the aluminum cores into the pole pockets and run gaffers tape around the left and right edges. Works OK, just needs a little tlc when rolling up to not have it bunch up in the center. May be a better way, but I haven't found it yet...


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Nov 02, 2017 16:13 as a reply to ThreeHounds's post |  #7

You sure the auto poles work with 15' ceilings? I will measure tomorrow my studio ceiling height. The spec on B&H said something like little over 12'.


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Nov 02, 2017 19:15 as a reply to bobbyz's post |  #8

Get the pole extensions... Should have mentioned that.


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Nov 02, 2017 19:17 as a reply to bobbyz's post |  #9

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...ripole_Extension_Se​t.html (external link)


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Nov 02, 2017 19:58 |  #10

Cool thanks.


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Nov 03, 2017 00:56 |  #11

I've used the wall mounts in at least 3 different studios. Manfrotto for one, and some knock-offs from Cowboy Studio. Both worked fine. You don't need the cores either, the cardboard in the seamless rolls is more than enough for 107" seamless.




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Nov 03, 2017 10:17 |  #12

tdlavigne wrote in post #18487443 (external link)
I've used the wall mounts in at least 3 different studios. Manfrotto for one, and some knock-offs from Cowboy Studio. Both worked fine. You don't need the cores either, the cardboard in the seamless rolls is more than enough for 107" seamless.

Most threads I am reading everywhere say the paper does sag in the middle without the core. This with 107" seamless.


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Nov 03, 2017 11:33 |  #13

Place I worked had one of those type poles and the paper still warped. It was a huge roll though, and was rarely used. I think the shorter rolls will be less likely to warp, especially if they are being used regularly.


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Nov 03, 2017 22:35 |  #14

I've had several rolls of Savage 107" paper start sagging after a couple of days on the rack. Some so bad that it was impossible to roll or unroll without removing them, they interfered with the other rolls on the rack.
The aluminum cores eliminates that issue, plus you can use it with other BGs without having to keep old cardboard tube laying about.

The Impact branded aluminum is less expensive, but pretty poor quality. The rest of the Impact BG system is fine.


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Nov 04, 2017 09:38 |  #15

ThreeHounds wrote in post #18488080 (external link)
The Impact branded aluminum is less expensive, but pretty poor quality. The rest of the Impact BG system is fine.

So I should go manfratto for those cores? I need to order this weekend.


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