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micco
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Nov 05, 2017 16:10 |  #1

Hi All,

I have an 80D on route replacing my XSi, and looking to extend the reach of my current setup.
Currently i have: 1
* 15-85 f3.5-5.6
* 50 f1.8
* 18-55 f3.5-5.6 (XSi kit)

With the kids getting old and into more events, i'd like to get shots from a distance.
From the research I've done so far and my budget <= $500 CAD, here are my considerations:
* Tamron 70-300 f4-5.6 DI VC USD ($300 CAD used)
* Canon 55-250 f4-5.6 IS STM ($250 CAD new, on-sale)
* Canon 70-200 f4L non-IS ($500 CAD used)

My concerns/questions:
* Odd time i'll do video, would the Tamron be silent like the STM?
* non-IS L, would i regret this in lens with the lack of reach (vs 250 and 300) and lack of IS; especially when indoors?

I'm leaning towards the Tamron, as the image quality in reviews seems to be 'comparable' to the f4L, and has higher quality build construction when compared to the 55-250.

Any input or other lens to consider would be appreciated.

Cheers!




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Nov 05, 2017 16:32 |  #2

No IS makes no difference if you're indoors, it's main benefit is it stabilizes camera movement from where you're holding it, and I assume you don't shake any more indoors than out? It makes no difference to the movement of your target. That said, the 70-200 from canon is a cracking lens, and can take a teleconverter, certainly a x1.4 no problem.

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Nov 05, 2017 23:11 |  #3

I would add the new 70-300 IS USM II to the list but it is going to be hard to get more bang for the buck than the 55-250 STM


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Nov 05, 2017 23:24 |  #4

micco wrote in post #18489408 (external link)
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* Tamron 70-300 f4-5.6 DI VC USD ($300 CAD used)
* Canon 55-250 f4-5.6 IS STM ($250 CAD new, on-sale)
* Canon 70-200 f4L non-IS ($500 CAD used)

...

I agree with FEChariot's suggestion of the 70-300 USM II.

The Tamron in your list isn't worth $300 used, in any currency. The Canon non-L 70-300 is better optically, and costs less used.

The 55-250 STM is optically better than the Tamron mentioned above, but focuses rather slowly. That may be an issue for you.

The 70-200 non-IS is just that non-IS. You'll need IS at 200mm.

The 70-300 USM has a nano-USM motor. The AF on this lens is lightning quick (Dustin Abbott). I use the 18-135 USM (same motor design), and it is every bit as quick to focus as my 70-200 f/4L IS. This lens is in your budget, is optically superior to the Tamron and the STM in your list, and 50% longer than the non-IS 70-200 you mention. Seems pretty clear to me!


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Nov 06, 2017 02:36 |  #5

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18489417 (external link)
No IS makes no difference if you're indoors, it's main benefit is it stabilizes camera movement from where you're holding it, and I assume you don't shake any more indoors than out? It makes no difference to the movement of your target. That said, the 70-200 from canon is a cracking lens, and can take a teleconverter, certainly a x1.4 no problem.

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I'd have said indoors would have lower light levels, making IS more useful as shutter speeds would likely be slower...
Realisticly, the only time where IS does not help for handheld shots, is where the subject moves, or when the shutterspeed is very high.

Having said that, the 70-200mm f/4 is a good lens...


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Nov 06, 2017 08:42 |  #6

joeseph wrote in post #18489693 (external link)
I'd have said indoors would have lower light levels, making IS more useful as shutter speeds would likely be slower...
Realisticly, the only time where IS does not help for handheld shots, is where the subject moves, or when the shutterspeed is very high.

Having said that, the 70-200mm f/4 is a good lens...

I guess it depends a lot on what the OP means by “events” for the kids. Unless it’s band or drama where there is not a lot of movement, something with a larger aperture is going to be more helpful than IS.


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Nov 06, 2017 08:47 |  #7

Overall cost, the 55-250 STM is really good and actually sharp wide open (F5.6), and it's pretty fast to focus and silent. Great lens. It would be totally fine for outdoor events and sports.

Indoors, I wouldn't fool with any of these F5.6 lenses and would have something faster for indoors (not sure what you need a telephoto for indoor, maybe school plays or graduations or something?).

Indoor, on a serious budget, maybe look at a Yongnuo 100mm F2 (under $200 on Amazon).

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Nov 06, 2017 08:57 |  #8

Hi All, thanks for the input so far.

Yes i should have clarified my "indoors" - by this it will be things like indoor soccer, gymnastics, and photos taken from a distance (parents seating area).
My existing XSi has a max ISO of 1600, which the 80D surpasses; so i don't mind getting some grain and capturing the moment vs not at all.

My concern with the lack of IS on the L, was at max 200 in those non-ideal light moments, i suspect IS would come in handy.

I'll take another look at the new canon 70-300 IS II - however it's 550$ right now on sale.
I'm surprised someone said the tammy isn't worth 300, it has good reviews and is priced at the same point new as to the canon...would be nice if someone with it can chime in.




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Nov 06, 2017 09:20 |  #9

Indoor soccer and gymnastics will not get much benefit from IS because you're going to have to shoot at a fast shutter to freeze motion anyways. Typical indoor sports values are commonly around 1/640s to 1/1000s shutterspeed to stop explosive action, F2.8, ISo 12,800. A slow F5.6 zoom simply don't do it. And F4 glass will struggle there too. For this, a fast prime is ideal on a budget (F1.8 or F2, like the 85mm and 100mm primes, they are inexpensive, sharp and very fast AF).

Any of the budget long 200~300mm zooms will do the job for you outdoors. The 70-200 F4, I wouldn't even bother with, these newer zooms are actually better (55-250 STM) and the difference between F4 and F5.6 outdoor is not a big deal with a modern body like the 80D.

Your main challenge is going to be the indoor sports stuff. You'll need a 2nd lens for this. F2.8 or faster minimum. So again, look to the 85 F1.8 or 100 F2, used.

In fact, look for all of these used to get the most for your money. They're commonly traded.

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Nov 06, 2017 09:35 |  #10

MalVeauX wrote in post #18489826 (external link)
Indoor soccer and gymnastics will not get much benefit from IS because you're going to have to shoot at a fast shutter to freeze motion anyways. Typical indoor sports values are commonly around 1/640s to 1/1000s shutterspeed to stop explosive action, F2.8, ISo 12,800. A slow F5.6 zoom simply don't do it. And F4 glass will struggle there too. For this, a fast prime is ideal on a budget (F1.8 or F2, like the 85mm and 100mm primes, they are inexpensive, sharp and very fast AF).

Any of the budget long 200~300mm zooms will do the job for you outdoors. The 70-200 F4, I wouldn't even bother with, these newer zooms are actually better (55-250 STM) and the difference between F4 and F5.6 outdoor is not a big deal with a modern body like the 80D.

Your main challenge is going to be the indoor sports stuff. You'll need a 2nd lens for this. F2.8 or faster minimum. So again, look to the 85 F1.8 or 100 F2, used.

In fact, look for all of these used to get the most for your money. They're commonly traded.

Very best,

Yes if you want indoor sports then exactly what Malv said. Look at primes like he mentioned also the 135/2 L and 200/2.8 II L. A 70-200/2.8 like the Non IS L or the Tamron G2 would also be good but these are all stepping up the budget sizably


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Nov 06, 2017 09:50 |  #11

I have the 70-200F4L and the first time I used it, the results brought a smile to my face. The lens is very sharp. However, I generally use it outside, where light levels allow high shutter speeds. Inside, the lens needs flash. This is not a lens that I would choose for use indoors, unless I knew that light levels were going to be high enough.
I would go with the 85F1.8 for indoor sports, if the focal length will work for you. AF is very fast and accurate.




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Nov 06, 2017 10:01 |  #12

artyH wrote in post #18489849 (external link)
I have the 70-200F4L and the first time I used it, the results brought a smile to my face. The lens is very sharp. However, I generally use it outside, where light levels allow high shutter speeds. Inside, the lens needs flash. This is not a lens that I would choose for use indoors, unless I knew that light levels were going to be high enough.
I would go with the 85F1.8 for indoor sports, if the focal length will work for you. AF is very fast and accurate.

That isn't an issue of the lens, that is the issue of the body. If the f4L lens doesn't AF well in whatever light is available, it isn't the fault of the lens.

If video is a goal as well, the only lens in that list that will work well for video not picking up the AF noises is the 55-250 STM. Most likely too, you will want IS for video, especially for a longer lens.


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Nov 06, 2017 10:53 |  #13

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18489856 (external link)
If video is a goal as well, the only lens in that list that will work well for video not picking up the AF noises is the 55-250 STM. Most likely too, you will want IS for video, especially for a longer lens.

The new nano USM motor in the new 70-300 puts that into play as well although with both of those and pretty much every single STM or nano USM lens available for Canon for quiet video focusing also has a slow as molasses 5.6 aperture.


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Nov 06, 2017 11:31 |  #14

There is 50 1.8 STM (and the pancake 40), but not really appropriate for this topic. :)


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Nov 06, 2017 11:44 |  #15

micco wrote in post #18489815 (external link)
Hi All, thanks for the input so far.

Yes i should have clarified my "indoors" - by this it will be things like indoor soccer, gymnastics, and photos taken from a distance (parents seating area).
My existing XSi has a max ISO of 1600, which the 80D surpasses; so i don't mind getting some grain and capturing the moment vs not at all.

My concern with the lack of IS on the L, was at max 200 in those non-ideal light moments, i suspect IS would come in handy..

IS helps with YOU shaking... It helps 'freeze' lens and camera induced motion.
IS cannot help when the subjects are moving quickly and lower light (indoors) prevents the freezing of subject motion.


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