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Nov 21, 2017 10:13 |  #16

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Maybe consider Canon refurb (comes with warranty):

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Then, as funds allow, add a flash for portrait and a Canon 50mm F1.8 STM for portrait.

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I haven't followed refurbished of other brands, but had excellent success and value with Canon. Got the 5D mk iii that way, plus the 5DS

Lately, I ordered the M5 ... and in October, it included a refurbished lens adapter for $748 ... the last few days, there was a 15% discount off that too. It's a lovely piece of equipment and works perfect. So the reburb option has been good and save plenty of money.


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Jan 21, 2018 01:55 |  #17

Nikon and Canon both are good. Its depend on you and your budget. I am using 60D and another D5200. 60D is way better than d5200 but the 60d is more costly. In same price range any camera of both brand are quite same.




  
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Jan 21, 2018 08:43 |  #18

Canon or Nikon. Since you are starting down a road that that can go anywhere pick a brand that has a complete line of accessories and support. Other brands make good cameras, but Canon and Nikon can take you wherever you go in photography. In addition to their extensive accessory options most 3rd party makers build for those two brands first.




  
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Jan 21, 2018 11:08 |  #19

gonzogolf wrote in post #18545701 (external link)
Canon or Nikon. Since you are starting down a road that that can go anywhere pick a brand that has a complete line of accessories and support. Other brands make good cameras, but Canon and Nikon can take you wherever you go in photography. In addition to their extensive accessory options most 3rd party makers build for those two brands first.

This was true 3 or 4 years ago, not really true anymore.


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Jan 22, 2018 09:47 |  #20

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18545789 (external link)
This was true 3 or 4 years ago, not really true anymore.

Oh? Did I miss the announcement for the E-mount 200mm f2, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 600mm f4, 800mm f5.6, and 200-400mm f4? I've been waiting to see what Sony would do on that front, so if you could point me toward that press release...

In all seriousness, there are lots of great cameras these days that aren't from Canon and Nikon, and if you are primarily a landscape shooter or one of these hipster "street" shooters that seems to be hiding behind every fire hydrant these days then you can even make the argument that these other brands have you fully covered. Some of us though rely on one or more of the above mentioned lenses, and want to pair them with full frame sensors. From that point of view there is still nobody outside Canon and Nikon that offers a full system.




  
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Jan 22, 2018 10:11 |  #21

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546432 (external link)
Oh? Did I miss the announcement for the E-mount 200mm f2, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 600mm f4, 800mm f5.6, and 200-400mm f4? I've been waiting to see what Sony would do on that front, so if you could point me toward that press release...

In all seriousness, there are lots of great cameras these days that aren't from Canon and Nikon, and if you are primarily a landscape shooter or one of these hipster "street" shooters that seems to be hiding behind every fire hydrant these days then you can even make the argument that these other brands have you fully covered. Some of us though rely on one or more of the above mentioned lenses, and want to pair them with full frame sensors. From that point of view there is still nobody outside Canon and Nikon that offers a full system.

Oh, apparently you missed the fact that Sony can adapt any lens out there with AF support.

There are also very few people who ever get to the point of "needing" any of those lenses, and if they did, changing systems would be a small consideration at that point in my opinion.

There are many big companies now that can very efficiently support many forms of photography. Pretending Canon and Nikon are still the only 2 who do is blatantly ignorant and all it does is hurt the industry.


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Jan 22, 2018 10:25 as a reply to  @ EverydayGetaway's post |  #22

I've paid very close attention to the state of the adapter market, and the performance with the big lenses is laughably bad.

And no, lots of people don't ever need those lenses, but I should care about that why? How does that negate the fact that there is still a massive hole in the lineups of all the Canon/Nikon alternatives? The comment that you tried to shoot down previously dealt with Canon and Nikon offering complete systems, whereas Sony and the other mirrorless makers do not. Maybe you don't actually understand the concept of a COMPLETE system? The fact that Sony or another maker may have a solution for 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, or even 90% of all photographic disciplines means toss all to me if I'm in the group they aren't covering. Either their system is complete, or it isn't. There is no in between.




  
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Jan 22, 2018 14:07 |  #23

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546462 (external link)
I've paid very close attention to the state of the adapter market, and the performance with the big lenses is laughably bad.

And no, lots of people don't ever need those lenses, but I should care about that why? How does that negate the fact that there is still a massive hole in the lineups of all the Canon/Nikon alternatives? The comment that you tried to shoot down previously dealt with Canon and Nikon offering complete systems, whereas Sony and the other mirrorless makers do not. Maybe you don't actually understand the concept of a COMPLETE system? The fact that Sony or another maker may have a solution for 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, or even 90% of all photographic disciplines means toss all to me if I'm in the group they aren't covering. Either their system is complete, or it isn't. There is no in between.

Under that logic no system is fully complete since just about every brand has at least one thing the others do not.


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Jan 22, 2018 16:54 |  #24

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18546676 (external link)
Under that logic no system is fully complete since just about every brand has at least one thing the others do not.

Sure, if you parse things finely enough you will find things unique to any given brand. That's clearly not the point I was making though, and you know it. Completely neglecting large aperture telephotos isn't the same as not producing a particular niche lens, it's ignoring a significant cornerstone of any complete system. If you need to misrepresent what I said to set up a straw man for yourself it says more about your argument than mine.

I was entirely serious when I said I'm curious to see what Sony does in this space. Until they show that they are going to be a serious player in this part of the market though, then it's only fair to say that they have an incomplete system relative to Canon and Nikon.




  
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Jan 22, 2018 18:16 |  #25

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546795 (external link)
Sure, if you parse things finely enough you will find things unique to any given brand. That's clearly not the point I was making though, and you know it. Completely neglecting large aperture telephotos isn't the same as not producing a particular niche lens, it's ignoring a significant cornerstone of any complete system. If you need to misrepresent what I said to set up a straw man for yourself it says more about your argument than mine.

I was entirely serious when I said I'm curious to see what Sony does in this space. Until they show that they are going to be a serious player in this part of the market though, then it's only fair to say that they have an incomplete system relative to Canon and Nikon.

It's a matter of perspective depending on what you shoot. The world doesn't revolve around sports. That's actually a niche subset of photography as a whole.

For those of us that want mirrorless cameras, canon's offering are laughably incomplete. Now that might not affect you, but it is a fact.

The point that Lucas was making is that there is simply more choice these days.... Depending on what you shoot of course, but for those who don't shoot sports and wildlife both fuji and Sony offer pretty comprehensive systems that are worth considering.


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Jan 22, 2018 18:19 |  #26

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which brand is best?

You asked which brand is best, in the thread title and in the original post.

You did not ask which company makes the best cameras, but rather you asked which company has the best brand. . Yet, some people are answering your question as if you had asked about cameras, not brands.

To answer the question in accordance with the way it was first asked, we should look only at which company has most effectively developed their brand and not at which company makes the best cameras.

Canon would seem to have the upper hand as far as branding is concerned. . Their camera brand appears to be the world's most recognizable brand among camera manufacturers. . That is how success is measured.

When I Googled "camera brands", guess which one consistently appears at the top of most of the lists ....... yup, Canon.

I think that if you could poll 100 million randomly chosen people worldwide, asking them, "name a brand of digital camera - the first one that pops into your head", that more people would respond by saying "Canon" than any other brand in the world. . That makes Canon the "best" brand, because when it comes to branding, instant recognition and familiarity are what count, and this is what Canon has over all of the other manufacturers.

Now if you had asked which camera manufacturer makes the best cameras, or which company's cameras give you the best value for the dollar, then it might be Canon, but it may very well not be Canon - it could be Sony or Nikon, or some other company. . But in the thread title you didn't ask that - you simply asked which brand was best, not which cameras were the best.

By the way, Leica and Hasselblad have developed very prestigious brands. . But they are niche brands that target a much narrower demographic than do the Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc brands. . The real measure of a brand is the amount of gross profits it can generate, and "everyman" brands that appeal to millions upon millions of potential buyers will generate higher overall gross profits than will niche brands, regardless of what kind of esteem the niche brands are held in.


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Jan 22, 2018 20:21 |  #27

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546795 (external link)
Sure, if you parse things finely enough you will find things unique to any given brand. That's clearly not the point I was making though, and you know it. Completely neglecting large aperture telephotos isn't the same as not producing a particular niche lens, it's ignoring a significant cornerstone of any complete system. If you need to misrepresent what I said to set up a straw man for yourself it says more about your argument than mine.

I was entirely serious when I said I'm curious to see what Sony does in this space. Until they show that they are going to be a serious player in this part of the market though, then it's only fair to say that they have an incomplete system relative to Canon and Nikon.


+1 on perspective, the concept about mirrorless being an incomplete system depends on who is using it. If you need every long lens to match what canon and Nikon has ever created then yes the system is "incomplete for you".

"I've paid very close attention to the state of the adapter market, and the performance with the big lenses is laughably bad". :lol:



"and if you are primarily a landscape shooter or one of these hipster "street" shooters that seems to be hiding behind every fire hydrant these days then you can even make the argument that these other brands have you fully covered." -:-D

"How does that negate the fact that there is still a massive hole in the lineups of all the Canon/Nikon alternatives?"- All about perspective here too, Others can view "massive hole" as mirrorless should be hurting for camera sales and out of business by now...


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Jan 22, 2018 21:02 |  #28

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546462 (external link)
I've paid very close attention to the state of the adapter market, and the performance with the big lenses is laughably bad.

And no, lots of people don't ever need those lenses, but I should care about that why? How does that negate the fact that there is still a massive hole in the lineups of all the Canon/Nikon alternatives? The comment that you tried to shoot down previously dealt with Canon and Nikon offering complete systems, whereas Sony and the other mirrorless makers do not. Maybe you don't actually understand the concept of a COMPLETE system? The fact that Sony or another maker may have a solution for 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, or even 90% of all photographic disciplines means toss all to me if I'm in the group they aren't covering. Either their system is complete, or it isn't. There is no in between.

Have you shot adapted long glass on a Sony a9 or a7riii using the latest MB or Sigma adapters?


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Jan 22, 2018 21:24 |  #29

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"I've paid very close attention to the state of the adapter market, and the performance with the big lenses is laughably bad". :lol:


Wow, that's a seriously demanding test of the AF. :rolleyes:

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Have you shot adapted long glass on a Sony a9 or a7riii using the latest MB or Sigma adapters?

No, but I've read every review and watched every YouTube video I could find of people doing exactly that and come to the conclusion I don't need to spend my own money on the rentals to see it for myself when plenty of people have already tried it and all gotten the same disappointing results. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be wrong. The reason I've looked into it is that I would seriously consider adding a Sony body to my lineup but all the evidence says it just isn't feasible yet. When I can put my 600mm f4 IS II on a Sony body with an adapter and get equal AF performance to my 1DXII (continuous AF on fast, erratically moving subjects) then I will happily give Sony a chance. Admittedly, it's been a month or two since the last time I scoured the internet for information on adapted 500mm and 600mm primes on Sony bodies and I know the technology moves fast, so if there's some new evidence please point me toward it. The last that I saw the gulf was still very, very wide.




  
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Jan 22, 2018 21:42 |  #30

ShadowHillsPhoto wrote in post #18546956 (external link)
Wow, that's a seriously demanding test of the AF. :rolleyes:

No, but I've read every review and watched every YouTube video I could find of people doing exactly that and come to the conclusion I don't need to spend my own money on the rentals to see it for myself when plenty of people have already tried it and all gotten the same disappointing results. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be wrong. The reason I've looked into it is that I would seriously consider adding a Sony body to my lineup but all the evidence says it just isn't feasible yet. When I can put my 600mm f4 IS II on a Sony body with an adapter and get equal AF performance to my 1DXII (continuous AF on fast, erratically moving subjects) then I will happily give Sony a chance. Admittedly, it's been a month or two since the last time I scoured the internet for information on adapted 500mm and 600mm primes on Sony bodies and I know the technology moves fast, so if there's some new evidence please point me toward it. The last that I saw the gulf was still very, very wide.


Here ya go! He set his camera to medium because the adapted glass cannot keep up with the native FE glass. Also he is limited to 10sec a frame and finds the best results with center AF only.  :p


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