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dmead516
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Nov 12, 2017 13:29 |  #1

I just purchased the 5D IV as an upgrade from my 1D IV. I just used it to photograph a family and I expected better colors and skin tones from the 5D. However, there is very little difference between photos from the 1D vs the 5D. Am I missing something? Canon (IMO and experience) has always seemed to be about a third stop overexposed when the settings/exposure was correct in camera. But I truly expected better from the new sensor than from a 7 year old one. Are there settings everyone uses when shooting portraits/models/senio​rs that result in better (not washed out or pasty) skin tones? Or is this the reason people are moving to Fuji/sony? Any advice would be most appreciated, as I am still learning this camera.


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Nov 12, 2017 20:15 |  #2

Sensors improve on resolution, dynamic range, and high ISO performance. Sony is a popular mirrorless system because it has had top DR scores and good new lenses. Color saturation is something that's subjective. SOOC, jpegs or "as shot" RAWs might have a particular "brand"color, which can be easily tweaked if you're looking for something different. Are you sticking with AWB? If you're concerned with skin tones, many photographers will use the Colorchecker system.


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Nov 13, 2017 02:10 as a reply to davesrose's post |  #3

yeah I think I had it on AWB. But I truly expected better. Oh well, much to learn.


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Nov 13, 2017 04:02 |  #4

dmead516 wrote in post #18495168 (external link)
yeah I think I had it on AWB. But I truly expected better. Oh well, much to learn.

It would be helpful if you could post one of the images that you are disappointed with.


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Nov 13, 2017 04:35 as a reply to DaviSto's post |  #5

The Canon 1D series have always had great colour renditioning, and the 1D4 was no exception, especially at lower ISO settings, ie 1600 or under.

Moving from a 1D4 I have noticed that there is a small but noticeable difference between how the two bodies render at lower ISO, however the newer sensor is so much better at the higher ISO settings, not to mention how noise is handled, nor how well shadows can be lifted.


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Nov 15, 2017 05:27 |  #6

So what RAW converter are you using? It may well be that you need to optimise your default settings for the new camera. Even if you are shooting JPEGs SOOC the 5DIV has the new JPEG engine so that again it may well be necessary to fine tune your settings in the camera.

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Nov 16, 2017 00:17 as a reply to BigAl007's post |  #7

Lightroom and the Canon DPP.


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Nov 16, 2017 06:10 |  #8

I used to own a 1D4. I thought it rendered exquisite images. That said, Canon's higher-tier cameras don't add the punch (saturation and contrast) that the lower end bodies do. If/when I shoot JPG, I use the Standard picture style and punch up saturation and contrast a notch or two. I also increase sharpening one notch and turn the other two sharpening slider down a notch or two. The results are very nice consumer grade photos the most people like to see. If I am pushing my sensor, I shoot raw, N(0,0,0,0) and work the results myself. These methods work well for my 80D & 6D. I did the same with the 1D4.

I've had a laundry list of Canon digital bodies (1D, 1D2, 1D3, 1D4, 50D, 60D, 70D, 80D, 7D, 5Dc, 450D, 500D, and maybe one or two more). I find each new camera to be a guessing game about which JPG setting I like best, and how to process their individual raw files.

I find your comment that some/most Canon cameras overexpose strange. My guess is that you are in the minority here. I've generally dialed in +1/3 or +2/3 EC with every Canon digital body I've ever used. The 80D is a notable exception. I've had a few Canon film bodies also; they don't have this underexposure issue. Odd.


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Nov 16, 2017 09:11 as a reply to Bassat's post |  #9

Thanks for the input. Yeah, I had the 1D3 and it seemed that to get the best exposure I had to go to +1/3 or so when shooting. The 1D 4 does not seem to have that problem, so maybe I overgeneralized in the initial post.


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Nov 30, 2017 14:30 |  #10

Do you find that you are disappointed with images on the screen or after uploading the RAWs to the computer? I shoot RAW but have learned, especially when showing results on the rear of the camera to models or clients, to set my bodies to Fine Detail picture style. This punches everything up for them to see but doesn't affect my end-result and I can do what I wish in Lightroom with the unadulterated RAW.

I was using Faithful until one of my clients voiced disappointment at the images that they looked at on screen. I usually show models how the shots are looking from my end to give them encouragement during the shoot.


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Dec 04, 2017 22:45 as a reply to rejay14's post |  #11

Well it is hard to say. Maybe my expectations were really high given the fact that I was going from a 7 yr old sensor to a current one. I will try your settings and see if that makes a difference. I have been snowed under work wise so no real chance to get back out and shoot more. Thanks


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Dec 04, 2017 23:01 |  #12

Exposure has so many facets. And the price / age of your camera is the least of them. For example. I use the Sony a9, a camera almost a year newer and much more expensive than the 5DIV. In the past I've had issues thinking that while the image appeared right in camera (the light meter said it was right) but on the computer they are underexposed. After trial and error, I found out that the metering system is just much more sensitive than what I was used to because you can make the spot much more precise than the Canon I came from. I use spot metering and so metering on a Caucasian would throw the exposure off in camera and make the meter think it was overexposed. On darker colored skin, or dark outfits, the images were much more pleasing. It's all about learning your gear and how it behaves in different situations. The a9 was a new camera to me. I found the problem, and now know how to remedy it. The 5DIV is a new camera to you, and I suspect you'll do the same.


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Dec 06, 2017 21:31 as a reply to Jarvis Creative Studios's post |  #13

That makes sense. Thanks for the tips.


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Dec 09, 2017 11:18 |  #14

The histogram is your best friend with exposure. I have found my 5D2 to 5D4 needed/needs about ⅓ more stops than my crops.

If you are using lightroom don't use Adobe Standard. Colours are washed out on purpose as they expect you to tweak or apply a profile. The Canon profiles in LR are pretty close to DPP. I also use DPP, PS and LR and I really like Canon's colours but sometimes a tad too rosy and Adobe Standard too yellow and I like it in between.

If you are interested here is my formula for that. LR on the left in the lower image.

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Dec 09, 2017 11:26 |  #15

I got that from here. Not the same camera and version but a start. I don't apply defaults in the Basic window except Vibrance and Saturation. I do the other settings in the Basic window manually as I found the suggested ones a little aggressive and don't have a lot to do with colour. I l also have my own default settings for the Detail Window.

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