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Got the Rotolight Neo 2 and can test against AD200 and Xplor600..anything you want to see?

 
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Nov 12, 2017 13:36 |  #1

Hello!
So I will be returning it soon since to me, it is extremely underpowered for my needs but just wondering if you guys want to see any particular tests with the Neo 2.
I have the eVOLV 200 and Xplor600 as well. I also have a Sekonic 858D in case you want some tests like that.
Maybe if I did more indoor/night stuff, it would be a better fit but for my regular work, I dont see how this light can work for me. I love underexposing backgrounds for my looks and with this thing I dont think I can even expose it correctly during anything but sunset or night shots.
No wonder lately all Jason Lanier does is indoor and night shoots..and even then he ends up increasing ISO often.

Updating with results of comparison vs Godox AD200:

Setting:
Dark room with light meter at 6', 1/50, ISO 100.
The AD200 gave me F9 with bare bulb and F11 when using the back plate "mod".
The Neo 2 gave me F1.3 with batteries and F1.6 connected to the AC which gives an option of MAX+ for the flash.


Second Test results:
I decided to try another test this time using the Godox Ving V860II (the adorama rebranded one) vs the Neo 2.
Since the usual comment from the Rotolight rep when someone asks about the Neo 2 power vs a speedlight is that you need to diffuse the other flashes and lose a lot of power vs the Neo 2...I decided to put those claims to test.
To give the Neo2 all the advantage I decided to not use any modifiders with the Neo 2.
For the Godox I used a Mola Setti (White) in 3 configurations: with the mesh and the opal stack, adding the sock diffuser to those and finally without the sock diffuser but placing a solid metal beauty dish plate from my 56" Fotodiox beauty dish so that it was mesh+opal+fotodiox plate.

Settings were as before with light meter at 6', 1/50, ISO 100. The Godox was set to 24mm. The Neo 2 was set to its brightest temp 4110 and MAX+ as it was AC powered.

Neo 2 Results:
Once again it got F/1.6 at Max+ flash power at 1/50 (changes to 1/100?)
At MAX Constant light it did F/1.0

Godox Results:
Mesh+Opal: F/5.6
Mesh+Opal+Sock diffuser: F/5.0
Mesh+Opal+Fotodiox Metal plate: F/4.5

So much for the claims that because of all the diffusers needed to make the speedlight soft, the power differences were not as big as some may think. And to clarify, I personally would still use a diffuser with the Neo2 for softness but as you can see, even without one it is extremely weak.
If this was Mythbusters I would end with a...."BUSTED!"


UPDATE:
Here is the video of the test:
https://youtu.be/vzHJ0​Ag5W9M (external link)

I did a quick test (not on this video ) with HSS:

Godox at full power with the Mola Setti using mesh+opal = F/1.4 Shutter speed 1/2500 ISO 100
Neo 2 with no diffuser, temp 4110 for max output and with AC adapter. With Flash it got F/.8 and with 100 constant light .5




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Nov 12, 2017 15:33 |  #2

Welcome to the Forum.

I would like to see a straight flash meter read of a bare Neo 2 at full power in a dark room, 6 feet from the meter, ISO 100.

We already know the power out of the eVolv 200, but I am curious if it has the power equivalent of 32 Neos as someone once claimed online.


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Nov 12, 2017 15:39 |  #3

Lotto wrote in post #18494861 (external link)
Welcome to the Forum.

I would like to see a straight flash meter read of a bare Neo 2 at full power in a dark room, 6 feet from the meter, ISO 100.

We already know the power out of the eVolv 200, but I am curious if it has the power equivalent of 32 Neos as someone once claimed online.

Sounds good, I can do that




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Nov 12, 2017 20:25 |  #4

Looking forward to those numbers.


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Nov 13, 2017 00:12 as a reply to bobbyz's post |  #5

Ok so I did a quick test in a dark room at 6' and ISO 100.
The AD200 gave me F9 with bare bulb and F11 when using the back plate "mod" similar to this but cheaper : https://www.amazon.com ...deb931b3190080c3f38​a754c1 (external link)
The Neo 2 gave me F1.3 with batteries and F1.6 connected to the AC which gives an option of MAX+ for the flash.




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Nov 13, 2017 01:05 |  #6

Yeah, that settles it. 1 Neo2 max = AD200 @ 1/32 power, no enough for shooting in bright daylight like you said.

Thanks for the measurements.


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Nov 13, 2017 01:10 |  #7

Lotto wrote in post #18495153 (external link)
Yeah, that settles it. 1 Neo2 max = AD200 @ 1/32 power, no enough for shooting in bright daylight like you said.

Thanks for the measurements.

You are very welcome!




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Nov 13, 2017 01:36 |  #8

LGabrielPhoto wrote in post #18495142 (external link)
Ok so I did a quick test in a dark room at 6' and ISO 100.
The AD200 gave me F9 with bare bulb and F11 when using the back plate "mod" similar to this but cheaper : https://www.amazon.com ...deb931b3190080c3f38​a754c1 (external link)
The Neo 2 gave me F1.3 with batteries and F1.6 connected to the AC which gives an option of MAX+ for the flash.


Shutter speed?




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Nov 13, 2017 03:19 |  #9

shaolin95 wrote in post #18495163 (external link)
1/50

He does not say that unless I have missed that




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Nov 13, 2017 09:27 |  #10

I saw Jason’s videos. He’s one of the only posters pushing this light like crazy. Does he have a financial interest in it?

Appreciate the OP posting about it.

Just had a look at the ex? It’s double the price.




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Nov 13, 2017 09:33 |  #11

dpe wrote in post #18495180 (external link)
He does not say that unless I have missed that

Actually that is correct so he guessed right or knows that 1/50 is the lowest option on the NEO 2.




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Nov 13, 2017 09:35 |  #12

MDJAK wrote in post #18495334 (external link)
I saw Jason’s videos. He’s one of the only posters pushing this light like crazy. Does he have a financial interest in it?

Appreciate the OP posting about it.

Just had a look at the ex? It’s double the price.

From what I understand, yes he works with them officially thus how pushy and IMO misleading, he has become about this product. Suddenly all his shoots are in dark/night setups.

Glad to help!




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Nov 13, 2017 10:20 |  #13

Lotto wrote in post #18495153 (external link)
Yeah, that settles it. 1 Neo2 max = AD200 @ 1/32 power, no enough for shooting in bright daylight like you said.

Thanks for the measurements.

Except that AC is not available on the shoots JL does, so not even 1/32 of the power




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Nov 13, 2017 10:22 |  #14

Been told by 2 reviewers that there was a lot of noise about providing test units to prove what JL was saying but weeks later the units have not arrived - makes you wonder why not




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Nov 13, 2017 10:29 |  #15

dpe wrote in post #18495384 (external link)
Been told by 2 reviewers that there was a lot of noise about providing test units to prove what JL was saying but weeks later the units have not arrived - makes you wonder why not

I heard that too from one of them. They totally ghosted him after making a big fuzz. Guess they don't want any bad but honest feedback out there lol




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