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Dented up my Octa Need new Stand/Boom

 
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Dec 06, 2017 08:13 |  #1

So, I was trying to do a shoot of my family 2 weeks ago. I was using my 48' Octa on my lightstand. Its a pretty cheap one by Impact that I've had for years. Its pretty much lightweight and garbage. It was decently windy, but nothing to crazy. Needless to say, it blew over 2-3 times and now my Octa is all bent up.

Anyways, would a more durable stand or boom with a sandbag have mitigated this issue? I know mother nature is mother nature and sometimes Its gonna happen, but just wondering if I should invest in a boom.

Looks like there is some flashpoints for cheap: https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)

or maybe Manfrotto is the way to go: https://www.adorama.co​m/bg3397b.html (external link)

Althought I dont wanna spend $200 on a stand/boom. I'm just a hobbiest and occasionally do side gigs.


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Dec 06, 2017 08:59 |  #2

Hi, Weight wise, are you expecting to use a Speedlite, a Godox 360, a remote head or a Monolight?

What offset from the stand do you require?

You'll want a leveling leg for outside and the option of lockable casters for inside; yes?

(When considering the combined 'boom-within-a-stand' options, like your link, note carefully any Aluminum components, as these reduce the total boomed capacity a lot. Note that Manfrotto/Avenger offer 4 iterations of their version. Their prices reflect their strength & boomed capacity. See:
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...nvertible_Boom_Stan​d.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...20B_Combi_Boom_Stan​d.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...475B_Baby_Combi_Boo​m.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...9CS_Combi_Boom_Stan​d.html (external link))




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Dec 06, 2017 10:15 |  #3

Its more for a 48 octa and speedlight or a new evolv200


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Dec 06, 2017 10:20 |  #4

Get some sand bags too.


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Dec 06, 2017 10:37 |  #5

chugger93 wrote in post #18511885 (external link)
Its more for a 48 octa and speedlight or a new evolv200

Tx. I had to cover a slightly higher payload - a mid strength option should be fine for your needs.

More to ponder: do you like to have a separate knob/knuckle for each freedom of rotation - or - would you prefer a 'one (or 2) knuckle frees up everything' solution? If you go for an option that requires a Grip-head as the pivot, then note that the stand has to be topped off with a full length, welded-in Baby pin as a minimum, not just the more usual spigot/stud. The heavier the counterweight, the greater the available offset from the stand - but, the latter's capacity has to be up to it. Beyond that, you need to Sandbag the stand's base.

Covering all this means that you'll end up with something that really works for you - I hope.




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Dec 06, 2017 11:07 |  #6

I sandbag stands in studio and outdoors. I use heavy weight stands with adjustable legs outdoors. And multiple sandbags.

Someone to help is really recommended. Depending on their dedication, you can reduce what else you bring along...

Bring options!!!! One thing is have backup modifiers that are more wind-proof. I always always always bring a standard metal reflector and an Elinchrom 16” Fireball (Mixi-Lite). Also a beauty-dish. And grids for everything.

Yes, I always bring more than I need. It’s better to have and not need than need and not have. Particularly if you’re being paid.

Oh, those windy days where that Fireball saves the day! I love the light it produces anyway!! It’s ocean beach wind proof.

If you need to travel light, you’ll need to be more wind sensitive in your gear selection.


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Dec 06, 2017 11:08 |  #7

chugger93 wrote in post #18511781 (external link)
So, I was trying to do a shoot of my family 2 weeks ago. I was using my 48' Octa on my lightstand. Its a pretty cheap one by Impact that I've had for years. Its pretty much lightweight and garbage. It was decently windy, but nothing to crazy. Needless to say, it blew over 2-3 times and now my Octa is all bent up.

Anyways, would a more durable stand or boom with a sandbag have mitigated this issue? I know mother nature is mother nature and sometimes Its gonna happen, but just wondering if I should invest in a boom.

Looks like there is some flashpoints for cheap: https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)

or maybe Manfrotto is the way to go: https://www.adorama.co​m/bg3397b.html (external link)

Althought I dont wanna spend $200 on a stand/boom. I'm just a hobbiest and occasionally do side gigs.

You could have probably taken more gusts by using weight. A heavy stand will still topple over if the top is heavier than the bottom and a gust happens.

I used bungees (24") with nylon stakes (like for a tent) to really anchor the stand down to the ground (obviously only works on sand/grass, not on concrete).

When it's windy, I switch to metal reflectors. Even when its windy my 10" reflector can handle the wind no problem. I recently added a 28" beauty dish (basically a big 28" reflector) that also handles wind much better than my 60 inch Softlighter II.

I still use counter weights just to beef up the base regardless. We get some good gusts in open fields here.

I only use my 60" modifiers outside now when I have someone to hold them up, or when there's zero wind (and even then that's a gamble).

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Dec 06, 2017 11:13 |  #8

MalVeauX wrote in post #18511962 (external link)
You could have probably taken more gusts by using weight. A heavy stand will still topple over if the top is heavier than the bottom and a gust happens.

I used bungees (24") with nylon stakes (like for a tent) to really anchor the stand down to the ground (obviously only works on sand/grass, not on concrete).

When it's windy, I switch to metal reflectors. Even when its windy my 10" reflector can handle the wind no problem. I recently added a 28" beauty dish (basically a big 28" reflector) that also handles wind much better than my 60 inch Softlighter II.

I still use counter weights just to beef up the base regardless. We get some good gusts in open fields here.

I only use my 60" modifiers outside now when I have someone to hold them up, or when there's zero wind (and even then that's a gamble).

Very best,

Those pet lawn-screw things work well too. Bungied or tied straight down under the center of the stand. Search YouTube for how to quickly tie the stand down. Gaffer knotts.


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Dec 06, 2017 11:20 |  #9

MalVeauX wrote in post #18511962 (external link)
You could have probably taken more gusts by using weight. A heavy stand will still topple over if the top is heavier than the bottom and a gust happens.

I used bungees (24") with nylon stakes (like for a tent) to really anchor the stand down to the ground (obviously only works on sand/grass, not on concrete).

When it's windy, I switch to metal reflectors. Even when its windy my 10" reflector can handle the wind no problem. I recently added a 28" beauty dish (basically a big 28" reflector) that also handles wind much better than my 60 inch Softlighter II.

I still use counter weights just to beef up the base regardless. We get some good gusts in open fields here.

I only use my 60" modifiers outside now when I have someone to hold them up, or when there's zero wind (and even then that's a gamble).

Very best,


Well of course a 10" reflector is gonna hold up, its tiny..no? I dont think thats a big enough light source to shoot our 5 person family is my issue. 28" beauty dish is even debatable too. Hate having to drag sandbags in the park, but crap..I guess it may be the only way eh

Do the flashpoint boom stands work good? https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)


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Dec 06, 2017 12:02 |  #10

chugger93 wrote in post #18511975 (external link)
Well of course a 10" reflector is gonna hold up, its tiny..no? I dont think thats a big enough light source to shoot our 5 person family is my issue. 28" beauty dish is even debatable too. Hate having to drag sandbags in the park, but crap..I guess it may be the only way eh

Do the flashpoint boom stands work good? https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)

Well, the sun is a tiny dot and illuminates the entire solar system including earth. It’s about placement.


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Dec 06, 2017 13:22 |  #11

I haven't used these but I do use mathews and avenger wheeled stands and they are really worth it. I hate C-stands outside. Just add 40" grip arm.

https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsrb12.html (external link)

Maybe overkill for your needs with just AD200.


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Dec 06, 2017 13:47 |  #12

chugger93 wrote in post #18511975 (external link)
Well of course a 10" reflector is gonna hold up, its tiny..no? I dont think thats a big enough light source to shoot our 5 person family is my issue. 28" beauty dish is even debatable too. Hate having to drag sandbags in the park, but crap..I guess it may be the only way eh

Do the flashpoint boom stands work good? https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)

It's about placement and proximity. My 10" reflector is for exactly that: groups. It has a 65 degree arc, so I can cover a lot of people with a single powerful light and it's efficient. I use it with a 600Ws and it's a fireball in full sun. I also use it with a speedlite sometimes at close range. I don't mind the hard light when I use it from a distance because I'm usually just filling shadows in the sun with it on a group.

The 28" beauty dish also has a wide arc of output, but I try to use it closer, not for a group.

Ideally for a group you'd want more than one light anyways.

Really depends if you're doing fill or key level light and how close the lights are. Bare flash/strobe as fill is still quite nice with no modifiers needed. For full key, a modifier is of course much nicer more often unless it's a really contrasty scene anyways (like golden hour).

I can't be bothered lugging heavy sand bags. So I just change how I use smaller modifiers at close range and keep it portable and wind-friendly.

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Dec 06, 2017 14:10 |  #13

MalVeauX wrote in post #18512076 (external link)
It's about placement and proximity. My 10" reflector is for exactly that: groups. It has a 65 degree arc, so I can cover a lot of people with a single powerful light and it's efficient. I use it with a 600Ws and it's a fireball in full sun. I also use it with a speedlite sometimes at close range. I don't mind the hard light when I use it from a distance because I'm usually just filling shadows in the sun with it on a group.

The 28" beauty dish also has a wide arc of output, but I try to use it closer, not for a group.

Ideally for a group you'd want more than one light anyways.

Really depends if you're doing fill or key level light and how close the lights are. Bare flash/strobe as fill is still quite nice with no modifiers needed. For full key, a modifier is of course much nicer more often unless it's a really contrasty scene anyways (like golden hour).

I can't be bothered lugging heavy sand bags. So I just change how I use smaller modifiers at close range and keep it portable and wind-friendly.

Very best,


Ahh, your talking about something like this?
https://www.amazon.com ...10%22+65+degree+ref​lector (external link)


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Dec 06, 2017 14:11 |  #14

I have that very one (10"). It handles the wind well and I put it well up there, 10~12 feet up. I wouldn't do it in a storm. But for general wind and general gusts it does it fine.

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Dec 06, 2017 17:46 |  #15

chugger93 wrote in post #18511975 (external link)
Do the flashpoint boom stands work good? https://www.adorama.co​m/fplsb13.html (external link)

The specs for that stand are confusing, to me, at least.

Impact's identical stand:
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com ...cb6_combo_boom_stan​d.html (external link)
.. list; 'Load Capacity @ Max. (boom) Extension: 4.4 lb' - or - 2 Kg
.. which might be just enough for your stated needs - personally, I'd go with stronger.




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