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kat.hayes
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Dec 30, 2017 09:58 |  #1

I’m looking at getting a Flashbender to use with my 5dm3 and 600ex to mainly take portraits indoors. Anyone have experience with these? Does the XL make much difference over the large? Does the soft box diffusion that comes with it work well?

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Dec 30, 2017 10:17 |  #2

If you have the possibility to either bounce your light or use the flash off camera on a lightstand with e.g. a 60cm octabox it would be recommended. While the flashbender (i have 2 XL) is a significantly bigger source than the bare head it's still a fairly small lightsource relative to even just a human head. Then you move it a couple of fået or even more away to get some room to work and take care of the falloff and it's suddenly a rather small and hard light. But it is a fun modifier and it's great for macro, rim- and hairlight.




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Dec 30, 2017 10:35 |  #3

Also consider the 'Sundisc':
http://www.sundisc.org​/ (external link)

.. it's 60cm diameter. IMO it's best held on a 'Godox S bracket'. Of course even 60cm is not huge, but I like mine. It's easy to deploy in confined spaces, very lightweight and very easy to boom out when necessary.




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Dec 30, 2017 13:03 |  #4

I think the Large one is large enough. Shooting indoors..you have the advantage of bouncing light off walls and ceiling. With the flashbender, you have the advantage of getting softer light to the front off the subject. The large one is already somewhat heavy and making your rig top heavy. The XL one can be too big and bulky. The Flashbender is no substitute for a large softbox. If you have to decide how are you going to use the Flashbender.


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Dec 30, 2017 19:53 |  #5

I have some high ceilings that do not really will work for bouncing. Any idea how far you can even bounce? We also have some walls painted various colors, so I’m thinking that is a bad idea to bounce off of? Most of the time I can’t really set up a soft box on a stand because I’m trying to capture the moment with my kids. By the time I get a stand, softbox, etc, the moment is gone....

1. Soeren, you suggested a 60cm octabox. I know next to nothing about studio lighting. Why only 60cm? Can a larger one spread light from a flash? Can a soft box designed to work with studio lighting also work with a flash?

2. Soeren, you mentioned you have the XL Flashbender. How close do you need to be to your subject to get good results with it?

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Dec 30, 2017 20:08 |  #6

kat.hayes wrote in post #18529731 (external link)
I have some high ceilings that do not really will work for bouncing. Any idea how far you can even bounce? We also have some walls painted various colors, so I’m thinking that is a bad idea to bounce off of? Most of the time I can’t really set up a soft box on a stand because I’m trying to capture the moment with my kids. By the time I get a stand, softbox, etc, the moment is gone....

1. Soeren, you suggested a 60cm octabox. I know next to nothing about studio lighting. Why only 60cm? Can a larger one spread light from a flash? Can a soft box designed to work with studio lighting also work with a flash?

2. Soeren, you mentioned you have the XL Flashbender. How close do you need to be to your subject to get good results with it?

Thanks!

What do you consider high walls? In this shot my kids are lit with on camera flash, bounced off of the adjacent building! Just adjust iso and aperture till you get what you need. Personally, I'd much rather bounce indoors than use a flashbender if at all possible. Granted I'd rather use a large flashbender than bare, direct flash too.

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Dec 30, 2017 20:15 |  #7

kat.hayes wrote in post #18529731 (external link)
I have some high ceilings that do not really will work for bouncing. Any idea how far you can even bounce? We also have some walls painted various colors, so I’m thinking that is a bad idea to bounce off of? Most of the time I can’t really set up a soft box on a stand because I’m trying to capture the moment with my kids. By the time I get a stand, softbox, etc, the moment is gone....

1. Soeren, you suggested a 60cm octabox. I know next to nothing about studio lighting. Why only 60cm? Can a larger one spread light from a flash? Can a soft box designed to work with studio lighting also work with a flash?

2. Soeren, you mentioned you have the XL Flashbender. How close do you need to be to your subject to get good results with it?

Thanks!

I've yet to find a moment where I want a flashbender, and having used one, I still prefer just bouncing off a wall or ceiling. Unless your'e bouncing off something literally 80~100 feet away, I would say just use your flash and bounce off walls and ceilings and don't worry about a flashbender (which is merely a close to subject bounce source that is small). It's only really useful if you have no walls or ceilings, like middle of a field.

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Dec 30, 2017 20:35 |  #8

I used it mostly shooting outdoor and early hours and when I am pretty close to the subjects..using a manual speedlites. So, a flashbender is really helpful to prevent blown out highlight too..

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I think the XL is just too big if you need to move around a lot...

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Dec 31, 2017 03:58 |  #9

kat.hayes wrote in post #18529731 (external link)
I have some high ceilings that do not really will work for bouncing. Any idea how far you can even bounce? We also have some walls painted various colors, so I’m thinking that is a bad idea to bounce off of? Most of the time I can’t really set up a soft box on a stand because I’m trying to capture the moment with my kids. By the time I get a stand, softbox, etc, the moment is gone....

1. Soeren, you suggested a 60cm octabox. I know next to nothing about studio lighting. Why only 60cm? Can a larger one spread light from a flash? Can a soft box designed to work with studio lighting also work with a flash?

2. Soeren, you mentioned you have the XL Flashbender. How close do you need to be to your subject to get good results with it?

Thanks!

To my taste the flashbender need to be as close as 30cm at the most. But at this distance and closer youll start se see the effects of the Inverse square law. The size and shape of softbox was only suggestions. Square and up to around 100cm should be fine too. I wouldn't go larger as,as you mention, It will become difficult to fill it so youll get some unser realestate. A Bowens mount S-bracket will let you use any modifier in Bowens mount with your speedlight. You mention your kids and capturing the moment. Then how about an umbrella in a handholdable bracket?




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Dec 31, 2017 12:05 |  #10

OceanRipple* wrote in post #18529404 (external link)
Also consider the 'Sundisc':
http://www.sundisc.org​/ (external link)

.. it's 60cm diameter. IMO it's best held on a 'Godox S bracket'. Of course even 60cm is not huge, but I like mine. It's easy to deploy in confined spaces, very lightweight and very easy to boom out when necessary.

I just did the price conversion on the Sundisc...it's over $50 each.


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Dec 31, 2017 13:04 as a reply to Daggah's post |  #11

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.. but as a backer, I got my Sundisc for less than the current price.




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Jan 01, 2018 09:45 |  #12

kat.hayes wrote in post #18529731 (external link)
I have some high ceilings that do not really will work for bouncing. Any idea how far you can even bounce? We also have some walls painted various colors, so I’m thinking that is a bad idea to bounce off of? Most of the time I can’t really set up a soft box on a stand because I’m trying to capture the moment with my kids. By the time I get a stand, softbox, etc, the moment is gone

In this situation I would go with some kind of bounce card, or something like the regular size flash bender. As others have said, you'd be surprised how high of a ceiling you can bounce off of. Having a bounce card will help throw some light forward.

When there is a decent amount of ambient, even direct flash to fill in shadows can add a little pop to the subject. The trick is blending ambient with the flash power, and insuring the flash is near the same color temp as the ambient.


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Jan 01, 2018 10:08 |  #13

The biggest advantage of the larger flashbender (keeping in mind they are only effective in bounce situations) is that you get a much nice catchlight in the eyes than using a smaller card.




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Jan 01, 2018 11:54 |  #14

gonzogolf wrote in post #18530809 (external link)
The biggest advantage of the larger flashbender (keeping in mind they are only effective in bounce situations) is that you get a much nice catchlight in the eyes than using a smaller card.

Then Id rather use it in a BFT (Black Foamy Thing) kind of way having only the bounced light, looks a lot more natural to me.




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