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Photojournalism Q: 50 1.4 or save for 85 1.8 ?

 
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Jan 21, 2018 11:27 |  #1

(EDIT: The money man pulled out of the venture so its done, thanks.)


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Jan 21, 2018 11:39 |  #2

Immaculens wrote in post #18545800 (external link)
Hello folks,

just got a job with a new local newspaper... with my 7D2 - would the EF 50 1.4 be a suitable choice for indoor events for head shots or should I get the 85 1.8?

I have the Sigma 30 1.4 Art for wider shots, but not sure if the 50 would be enough of a difference?

thank-you

I am a bit confused. Title says PJ. Question says head shots. For head shots on aps-c, the 85 1.8 is a really good choice. For PJ, wouldn't you want a much wider, fast zoom? A stabilized 24-70 f/2.8 comes to mind.


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Jan 22, 2018 09:17 |  #3

If it is actually photojournalism and not headshots I would avoid primes. Given all the restrictions and limitations on movement at news events etc you would need a wide zoom 24-70 or 24-105 and a flash on your main body.

Your second body would need a longer lens for when you can't get close enough.


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Jan 22, 2018 10:24 |  #4

A typical PJ setup would be three zooms, 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200. That kit lets you do just about anything well except field sports. Also, if you can, you would want f2.8 versions of each. That's what I would work towards if I were you. You may well end up taking quite a few headshots but a 70-200 works great for that. You won't be going for super shallow depth of field shots for a newspaper.


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Jan 24, 2018 13:48 |  #5

How times have changed... In 2017 I was reading memoirs of ex-student for PJ in Arizona university in seventies and attending GW Art in photography classes, it helped him with PJ assignments. It took years to study PJ back then with interim daily assignments.
Now it just as simple as asking - which tele lens do I need? :-|

Well, it is what it is now...
I never seen local PJ with primes these days. In/outdoors doesn't matter. It is two DSLRs with two zooms. This is how typical PJ looks these days.

But you seems to be about to be different one. So, HCB was using 50 as main (your 30), 35 as wide and 90 for special acquisition primes among two film Leica cameras.
And he is one of the first PJ by all means, dare I say.

Good luck and congrats on new job!


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Jan 24, 2018 14:49 |  #6

Immaculens wrote in post #18545800 (external link)
Hello folks,

just got a job with a new local newspaper... with my 7D2 - would the EF 50 1.4 be a suitable choice for indoor events for head shots or should I get the 85 1.8?

I have the Sigma 30 1.4 Art for wider shots, but not sure if the 50 would be enough of a difference?

thank-you

Get the EF-S 18-135 USM. Wide focal length range, snaps to focus, good image quality and you won't need to change lenses or carry a second body. It's only a newspaper, IQ is less important than getting the shot.


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Jan 27, 2018 07:33 |  #7

Thanks for the feedback folks - I have a 15-85 but the 18-135 IS USM seems a better idea since I have a crop body. My 70D could wear another lens.


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Jan 27, 2018 09:01 |  #8

I used to shoot the 15-85 on a 60D. I'm now shooting the 18-135 USM on an 80D. There is a world of difference.


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Jan 27, 2018 09:26 |  #9

Immaculens wrote in post #18545800 (external link)
Hello folks,

just got a job with a new local newspaper... with my 7D2 - would the EF 50 1.4 be a suitable choice for indoor events for head shots or should I get the 85 1.8?

I have the Sigma 30 1.4 Art for wider shots, but not sure if the 50 would be enough of a difference?

thank-you

This is for small print/viewing size, so you can get away with maxed out ISO, so you can use slower glass and focus on versatility. I'd go for a fast zoom if budget permits. Otherwise, a slower but more verstaile zoom, like the 18-135 or something. You will likely be topping out ISO at large events indoors, where light is poor, but with image stabilization and ISO 12,800 you should be able to do it pretty nicely, you don't really need sports-action-stopping-power with shutter speeds of 1/1000s or faster. You can probably get away with very slow shutter speeds for just head shots, just with stabilization & pushing ISO. Again, the grain from ISO won't be an issue for small web views and small paper prints. Having the flexibility and versatility to get the shot be it close or distant, with a zoom will be more important than simply having fast focal-ratio on a prime.

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Jan 27, 2018 09:32 |  #10

Hmm, the 17-55 f/2.8 just came to mind.... decisions decisions...


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Jan 27, 2018 09:59 |  #11

Immaculens wrote in post #18550100 (external link)
Hmm, the 17-55 f/2.8 just came to mind.... decisions decisions...

If you're doing more headshots, than groups, do you really need the wider end of things?

Canon EF 24-70 F4L IS comes to mind, or a Tamron 24-70 F2.8 VC. Or even a Canon 24-105 F4L IS for cheap.

And if you're on the long end usually, then the 135mm APS-C zooms really are going to offer a lot.

In a crowd of people, it's a lot easier to use a telephoto to get your headshot, than to move forward through the crowd physically.

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Feb 04, 2018 11:30 |  #12

For your new job choice of lens is much less important than quickly producing a story. Even when it's just a cutline, the words matter. Use special care in getting names and getting them RIGHT.

You will also want to become intimately familiar with prepress processes and do your best to submit stuff that's ready to plop on the page without PP intervention. When the production folk have to manipulate your pixels your professional stock goes down and you lose the ability to check the quality of your work as if rolls off the press.

When you are assigned to business or social events rather than breaking news your experience with weddings should be valuable. You know how to move people around to get a decent background and pose them to look their best. Assuming everyone is or will be a major advertiser works well. When your publisher is at a chamber breakfast and hears how happy the owner of a major car dealership was with your pix of her and her (nasty little) dog, you become a great photographer. <G>


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Feb 04, 2018 11:45 |  #13

the newspaper start-up did not work out, the money man pulled out.

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